darth_ender said:
I never said Afghans or Iraqis have themselves to blame, and only those who fail to see individuals but rather a group as a whole would assume that's what is going on. I said Al-qaeda in Iraq is to blame.
The funny thing is about all this is that Al qaeda had no presence in Iraq until AFTER the US/UK invasion. Once Sadam was gone they took hold.
Warbler, you still cite the fact that Sadam was supposed to have WMD's as an excuse for the invasion or that he probably had them but got rid of them before the invasion. I do see this from so many as an excuse for the war even to this day, but we now know different. MI6 & the CIA were informed well before the invasion that Iraq had no WMD's but chose to ignore it. . Even the whole document that was used to justify the threat of Saddam turned out to be false:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Dossier
There was no threat from Saddam. It was for Oil and nothing more. the plan was already put into place to get rid of Saddam and get their hands on the oil BEFORE the attacks on 9/11, but it could not be justified and would have been illegal. The Bush. Blair administration used 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq. I find that far more disgusting and insulting to the relatives of those who died in the attacks and their memories.
Our countries had no reason to invade Iraq. Just because someone is a "bad man" cannot be used to justify killing thousands of innocent people. There are people far worse than Saddam ever was in power around the globe, but strangely enough you don't see us invading there. But i guess that people forget that it was the USA that supplied Saddam with billions of dollars worth of arms in the 1980s. I guess Bush sr couldn't have thought he was such a bad man when he was an ally against Iran then?
It was nothing more that to get their hands on the OIL. Nothing to do with terror attacks or any threat. With all the GENUINE documents that have come to light since, thanks in part to wikileaks starting the ball rolling, how anybody can think that the Iraq invasion was for any other reason than oil eludes me. And all this is NOT conspiracy theories but FACT.
Some interesting reading
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/9936180/Iraq-anniversary-war-intelligence-was-a-lie-BBC-Panorama-documentary-to-say.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/18/panorama-iraq-fresh-wmd-claims
http://www.globalresearch.ca/iraq-a-war-of-aggression-no-wmds-no-connection-to-al-qaeda/5327548