ON HOLD: A New Hope: ReVHSed (Pan & Scan of Adywan's Revisited) — Page 4

Ady is helping me with all of the settings and such to make sure I do it right frameratewise. I've only worked on it for a little over an hour and I'm about 5 minutes into the movie (the crawl was just centered).

Of course, Ady may have figured out a better way for me to do it, so then I'd have to start over...

bkev said:

Looks great Eyeshotfirst, but I'd recommend extending the top and moving it so that the Star Wars logo doesn't overlap the trilogy part. Not sure how it went on the VHS boxset, but it looks off this way.

I will see if I can't fix it. I used an original image so I could make the logo, but it was a little crooked. I will either find the font or make a better one.

Be aware that the different pan and scan releases over the years were sometimes cropped differently and panned across the screen at different times.

So the 2004 dvd version would not be an authentic representation of how it was cropped in the 80's. I don't know if that matters to you or not but I think you should be aware of it.

After the binary sunset scene, the 1992 vhs shifts over rapidly during the wipe and looks really awkward, the 2004 fullscreen dvd shifts after the wipe at a slower rate.

The 1995 THX fullscreen vhs had a lot of panning if I remember. The last shot of the 2004 dvd's was always in letterbox widescreen but only the 1995 full screen version of Jedi did this. In Star Wars there was an awkward pan right at the end instead.

Somebody uploaded the 1995 THX fullscreen vhs to youtube in segments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vuaQlZf6jI

Bingowings said:

 

EyeShotFirst said:

Hey 005, I thought I would share this with you. I created it myself using the posters.

 You might want drop the smaller Vader and the little slither of Jabba and try to avoid squishing (technical term) the elements of your composition.

 

AFAIK its a reconstruction of the old VHS trilogy Box-Set design, and if I remember correctly, the smaller Vader and the Jabba where in the design, also. (I think I will take alook this afternoon.)

I've hit a roadblock. No matter how close I follow Ady's excellent directions/settings, I get framerate issues all over. Repeated frames, missing frames. I don't get it. And I only have 17 days left in my Sony Vegas trial.

Someone else may have to take up the reigns of this project. I started doing the framing to the 2004 version, but I later decided that I would just need to do my own version, especially after hearing about all of the different ones from KM.

Project is on hold for a bit. Couldn't fix the framerate, will look into other options when I get a chance.

Instal Ubuntu Studio and try some open source Video Editing Software. This could fix your Sony Vegas Trial Problem.

Cinelerra seems to be helpful tool.

I'm going to see what I can do with the software I had bought for me. Maybe I'll do it this summer, two years later. ;-)

MrBrown said:

Its bad that LaserDisc is no longer produced, and that it is impossible to find a small private LD-pressing factory where this idead could be released for fans in the forum as LD. :) This isn't a joke, I would love to have adywans revisited on VHS or VHS style.. but in LaserDisc it would be really awesome!

Or you could use a slightly better tape format that gave comparable results to laserdisc. Such as S-VHS or Hi8.

I'd actually be interested in seeing how a modern transfer of Star Wars would look on a straight dupe to Video 8, Hi8 and S-VHS. You know to compare the formats.

Bingowings said:

Commercial VHS tapes were usually produced at high speed on industrial machines which often produced less than perfect (even for VHS) results.

A television broadcast taped at home would often be better quality than the commercially available version of the same material.

I thought there were taped versions of the last OOT airing in 1995 and they did not look as good as the official VHS tapes.

Of course if you had the master tape used by the studio (likely Betacam SP), that would of course be better than VHS and even an high end laserdisc capture. In fact if people want old transfers preserved, it might be worth seeing if anyone has a friend of a friend who they know at a TV station who would totally let them steal an old movie tape they used in the 90's.

For instance, were there any tv airings of the Star Wars THX versions in widescreen in PAL? A studio tape if it could be found and successfully smuggled out would probably be a lot better than the laserdisc rips.

Ditto for THX-1138 if it was ever aired on tv in widescreen. If such tapes were still lying around, the tv station would probably wouldn't notice if they went missing. They should have a newer digital tape they would use to air the movie today.

I know that sounds crazy and highly illegal but hey, it can't be as hard as acquiring a 35mm print of Star Wars and finding a place to scan that, right?

A Betacam SP tape would probably look comparable to the Gout dvd, maybe even better.

doubleofive said:

I've hit a roadblock. No matter how close I follow Ady's excellent directions/settings, I get framerate issues all over. Repeated frames, missing frames. I don't get it. And I only have 17 days left in my Sony Vegas trial.

Have you considered simply buying Sony Vegas. The latest version is I think 11 and it was less than $100 in a store. It is a very good editing system and I think very easy to learn and operate. I cannot understand why you never hear about any TV studio of production company using it. (you can always purchased a specialized software for more advanced video effects and graphics.) But a lot of people online say it works well for them.

Fun fact: My parents bought me version 4 in 2004. I think it was around $600 but with a student discount, I got it for around $400.

I've got Vegas now, I might play with this project soon.

doubleofive said:

I've hit a roadblock. No matter how close I follow Ady's excellent directions/settings, I get framerate issues all over. Repeated frames, missing frames. I don't get it. And I only have 17 days left in my Sony Vegas trial.

Someone else may have to take up the reigns of this project. I started doing the framing to the 2004 version, but I later decided that I would just need to do my own version, especially after hearing about all of the different ones from KM.

If you are using the NTSC version then you need to remove the pulldown first. This is causing the frame issues. Vegas is pretty crap for removing any pulldown and versions after 7 are also pretty buggy when working with Mpeg files. I'd recommend converting it to lossless avi. Also if you are doing it as pan and scan then you're better off rescaling it to its correct ratio before adding the video into Vegas. yet again vegas is crap for scaling and gives a softer image. I always use VirtualdubMod for converting Mpeg to Avi and its very good at resizing. You will want to rescale it to 480 vertical lines with the matte borders cropped out. Once the pulldown is removed set the project to 23.976fps, 720x 480 and import your video

TV's Frink said:

Must be nice to be able to afford a professional NLE.

I use Vegas Pro, and I periodically have issues using PAL sources. Sometimes a repeated frame would show up in the wrong spot near where I made a cut/split. Other than that, I haven't encountered serious frame rate issues.