Hey, it's me. said:
CP3S said:
TheBoost said:
Hey, it's me. said:
TheBoost said:
Hey, it's me. said:
And this is where the conflict stems from. Western Europe has increasingly become a more secular society over the years. The majority don't need religion to tell them how to live their lives. We've moved on. They don't like the way we live? Then stay in their own fucking country. That's all it boils down to.
The "way we live" is itself a troubling statement that can pretty much be used to justify anything, and oppress anyone.
So would you prefer to live under the rules of a western democracy, or under a Sharia controlled dictatorship? And make no mistake, Sharia Law is a dictatorship. Make your choice. The UK or Saudi Arabia?
Your false dichotomy is truly ridiculous.Truly, truly ridiculous.
Gaaaah! There really are lessons to be learned and precautions to be taken here. Unfortunately, you have one side that is far too willing to sit back and say, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander", like Bingo. While the other side makes ridiculous claims and drags it too far in the other direction.
Guys with views like Hey It's Me's makes guys with similar opinions to me on the subject look like loonies because we all get categorized together.
So my opinion is that of a lunatic?
No. Not really. But I think you are a bit extreme and hardlined in some of your views.
Today I stopped by a gas station, I was in line behind an Indonesian woman, and behind me was a bald guy with a beard and a gold cross around his neck. Typical redneck. The Indonesian woman was buying a pack of smokes and a bag of chips, and her fiver was a few cents to short. She told the shop keeper that she had to run to her car to grab some extra change (which is the point that I got in line behind her, had I known what was going on before hand I would have gladly covered the amount she was short), the clerk set her stuff aside and said, "Okay, I'll save this stuff for you while you get the change from your car", but she insisted that she needed to go ahead and buy the cigarettes and she'd come back for the chips in a second. Since he'd already rung up the stuff he had to process a refund, not sure why, I have no idea how that cash register shit works. Her English was broken, but she seemed to speak it well enough. As soon as she walked out the door the man behind me started cursing and said, "You know, as far as I am concerned if they aren't willing to learn our goddam language, they can just get the fuck out."
The points you are arguing are typically the points I am used to hearing come from people like that worthless asshole that was behind me in line at that gas station. Personally, I'd rather keep that elderly Indonesian woman and have guys like him get the fuck out of my country. Unfortunately, I live in a state where people from Indonesia are rare, and guys like him are everywhere.
I don't know you, Hey, It's Me. I don't know if you are a lunatic or not. So far, I have rather enjoyed your presence here. But, with many of the views you've expressed here so far (besides the firearm issue and your view on religion in general), I'd probably take you for a southern white American conservative if I weren't aware of what country you live in. In my country, they are the ones that freak out about signs being in foreign languages and fearmonger about anything and everything that aren't part of the culture they were raised with (like dudes in dresses, people that don't speak English well, and people who practice religions that don't circle around Jesus).
That being said, I thrive off of hearing views that greatly differ from my own, and I see them as opportunities for personal growth and education. Sometimes it is the closest I can get to being inside someone elses head. As I have told Warbler, sometimes these other points of view have gone along ways in making me rethink and reshaping my perspective.
(And yes, Warbler, I don't think I got around to responding to your post on that topic, but yes, you absolutely have caused me to rethink many things over the years of having these discussions with you; sometime this rethinking has caused me to change my perspective, and other times it has contributed to further cementing the views I already held. I know we disagree a lot, and sometimes I can be kind of a dick in the way I present my opinions, but I value your views and I feel they have contributed greatly to opening up my mind on many issues).