Are Muslims really trying to take over, or are some people just suffering from Islamaphobia? — Page 3

He could have called you an ignorant twat or pretentious.

Fair enough, I suppose. 

Islam a religion of peace? 

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/understandingislam/IslamHistory0212.aspx

I think you have it the other way around.

Oil is expensive and ancient technology (the Romans had machines powered by burning oil) being perpetuated to enslave the the majority.

At the moment petrol cars are only needed for rural communities cut off from public transport. If you gave back the amount of money people spend on their cars and oil based power generation there wouldn't be a financial crisis.

And as technology improves all petrol fueled cars should be replaced with vehicles that can be powered by domestic renewable generators.

The majority of plastics should be replaced or recycled. 

This is all being held back by a small mega-rich clique of backwards thinking protectionists.

The obsession with maintaining hold on this polluting, expensive and finite resource and selling the arms needed to secure it is the root of most of the problems in the world at the moment. 

I think, apart from cars, you need to look at air travel. Yeah there's a concerted effort with hybrids and electric powered cars to diminish the need for petrol powered cars but really that's the tip of an extremely massive iceberg. Where is the alternative? Where is the alternative power source for air travel? Is the HUGE revenue these companies (BP, Shell etc) generate, holding back the introduction of advanced technologies? 

Hot air/electric hybrid airships are the way to go.

The air heaters and the engines can all be powered by renewables (it can even partially recharge as it flies if it has solar cells on the skin).

Yeah, China is in Tibet for the Uranium and is being nice to some of the African nations we usually screw over for the copper etc.

Japan and China deplete South American hardwood forests for chopsticks.

The real reason why people go on about oil is because it's so outdated and is both an environmental and political pollutant. 

The only reason the Middle East is a concern of the West, China and Russia is because of Black Gold.

The internet isn't mined in Afghanistan though the land is.

Bingowings said:

Hot air/electric hybrid airships are the way to go.

The air heaters and the engines can all be powered by renewables (it can even partially recharge as it flies if it has solar cells on the skin).

Yeah nice, but that is not the answer. 

Technology and Mineral resources are totally different things.

Oil is wherever nature deposited it, Solar panels are wherever they are made and they can be made anywhere.

Tidal generation provides a comparable cost for it's energy.

If you stuck solar cells on every roof you would create enormous arrays which would make fossil fuel power stations largely redundant and countries with deserts can build solar thermal arrays which are more efficient and less technology heavy than convention solar cells.

The only thing these renewables can't do is make derivatives like plastic.

If we went back to Bakelite which comes from rubber trees we wouldn't so much plastic and other new polymers could fill in where recycling could not.

The people of the Middle East should sort their own problems out without outsiders sticking their noses in every decade or so (without oil as a focus of greed chances are nobody would be that interested anyway). There is enough oil money still swishing around to keep Arab princes in bling for a while but a bit of redistribution may well be the order of the day.

Britain found itself in the 1950's without an Empire or demand for it's heavy industry and it's been a struggle but rather than having mass migration we have had controversial immigration. The Palaces of the aristocracy are now tourist attractions.

There are certain political fault lines, the Balkans, The 'silk road' corridor etc where every attempt at a foreign intervention leads to disaster. Why NATO thought they could succeed where, the Soviets and the British failed in recent history is a mystery.

It would be handy to have an oil pipe going through the mountains but it's a lot of grief for very short term gain.

For centuries the Chinese made out that Genghis was Chinese because the Chinese don't like getting caught with the pants down. They still tell school children of when the dastardly British did them over for tea leaves.

Hey, it's me. said:

Bingowings said:

Hot air/electric hybrid airships are the way to go.

The air heaters and the engines can all be powered by renewables (it can even partially recharge as it flies if it has solar cells on the skin).

Yeah nice, but that is not the answer. 

Why not?

You can make them almost any size and did I mention they even go into the upper atmosphere?

I have absolutely nothing against airships. But as a viable, modern, convenient form of air travel they are an outdated concept. 

You go inside.

It goes into the upper atmosphere.

The world moves.

It comes back down again.

London to New York in less than the time it takes on a jet and this by you is outdated.

So anything less than a teleport is old fashioned by you I guess?

Mrebo said:

Bingowings said:

We have been living through a blip in history, The relative comfort the west has enjoyed has been funded from the fading embers of the European Empires and the petrochemical despotism (hydraulic despotism but with oil) of the American empire. It wasn't that long ago we were all torturing women to death for knowing which herbs were good for pain relief or chopping the balls off men for daring to demand their country back. It wouldn't take much for us to go back to that. The political class in Britain seem to be really keen on it and they aren't Arabs or Persians (didn't the token Muslim have to resign for blaming Jews for his bad motoring?). The Oil is the Car, the Car is the Oil.

This is why I have bingo on ignore.   I really can't stand my nation being called an empire.   Bingo needs to go to Japan and see it is independent.   If we were really an empire, Japan would have been an American colony since 1945.   Same thing with Germany. And I wouldn't exactly call Iraq and Afghanistan, American territories either.    Most Americans want our troops the heck out of those places.

Bingo, you're a self righteous piece of crap.      

Thanks dear.

Bingowings said:

You go inside.

It goes into the upper atmosphere.

The world moves.

It comes back down again.

London to New York in less than the time it takes on a jet and this by you is outdated.

So anything less than a teleport is old fashioned by you I guess?

If what your claiming is true, why isn't the airship the preferred means of travel in the modern era? London to New York in less time than it takes a jet by something that is basically powered by propellers? And what powers these magical propellers? 

It's experimental but largely if you mention Airship to someone they do what you did and think of R101 and the Hindenburg or the Goodyear blimp.

You asked for a replacement for the Jet paradigm and that is the logical rival.

The only thing it puts out is water vapour.

And Warb if America isn't an Empire why isn't Hawaii still a monarchy?

Hey, it's me. said:

Bingowings said:

You go inside.

It goes into the upper atmosphere.

The world moves.

It comes back down again.

London to New York in less than the time it takes on a jet and this by you is outdated.

So anything less than a teleport is old fashioned by you I guess?

and if I want to from New York to London?   It sounds like I'd have to go to the upper atmosphere and wait for the world to do a 270% turn.   Sounds like a jet would be faster, in that case.   And just how would I get from New York to Florida?

Warb, don't respond to Bingowings if you keep him on ignore.  Replying to others quoting him is no different than unblocking a comment.  As much as you might not like what he says, if you are genuinely trying to ignore him, don't read the quotes, much less reply to them.

You do realise how fast the world moves don't you?

If you were to travel from one state to another you'd use a conventional hybrid which wouldn't need to go that high.

You really think the best engineers of our time have been feverishly working on airship technology for the past 50-60 years? I firmly believe that cutting edge technology has moved beyond the jet engine. EMP (electro-magnetic propulsion) has been proven to be extremely efficient and non pollutive. That is what the cutting edge of technology are working on. Not massive balloons,

It's an interesting alternative but don't dismiss a massive balloon.

We currently fly in massive planes where people are crammed in like sardines, this would be more like a cross channel ferry but with nice views of the globe.

darth_ender said:

Warb, don't respond to Bingowings if you keep him on ignore.  Replying to others quoting him is no different than unblocking a comment. 

I disagree.    I don't see how reading other people's quotes of him is the same as unblocking a comment.    If I had a way to block the parts of people's posts where they are quoting him, I would.

darth_ender said:

As much as you might not like what he says, if you are genuinely trying to ignore him, don't read the quotes, much less reply to them.

it is very difficult to not reply when someone calls America, an empire.