I'm a feminist! — Page 10

TheBoost said:

Alexander the Great, Jesus Christ, Louis XVi, Henry 8th, this dude on "Star Trek."

 

None of them wore pants. And Louis loved high heels. 

 

How long did the federation have dudes wearing skirts for? Not long I'm guessing. Can't ever remember Picard or Worf wearing a skirt? Lol. Not with bare legs and girly boots anyway!

Yeah, cant imagine Picard in a skirt, but a one peice spandex catsuit was the height of masculinity.

I bet he wouldn't take a pee next to a whale though.

TheBoost said:

Yeah, cant imagine Picard in a skirt, but a one peice spandex catsuit was the height of masculinity.

Like I said, not with bare legs and girly boots. Was that look upheld for the entire series? No it wasn't was it. Point made.

Unlike the woman on the billboard, there is some serious inflexibility in this here thread.

It was kept long enough for bearded Riker to wear dress uniform.

The 'dress uniform' for Nemesis was more traditionally masculine but then the ladies had to wear it too.

Yeah well if we all agreed on everything it'd be a boring world wouldn't it. Subjective isn't a swear word. :-D

Bingowings said:

It was kept long enough for bearded Riker to wear dress uniform.

The 'dress uniform' for Nemesis was more traditionally masculine but then the ladies had to wear it too.

 

It was a poor look which is why it didnt last long. It was too effeminate. 

Time Lords wear dresses too :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KE0njnZXyY

Warbler said:

CP3S said:

Of course I am being serious. Most gay bars I have been to use trough-style urinals.

strange.   I wonder why.

I'm going to go with Gaffer and Greenie here and say, why not?

But then I'll be less frustrating and give a straight forward answer as well.

Where I live now I feel more like a fish out of water than I have anywhere else I have ever been. I've always thrived in foreign countries and in other cultures, because I enjoy getting out of my comfort zone and experiencing new things. The level of culture shock I've experienced here has always been really alarming to me. It was completely unexpected, I used to feel like I could find things to embrace and enjoy in practically any culture. This caused me to start seeking out subcultures to mingle with. I've really had some good times and met some really fun people at gay venues in this area. It turns out there are a lot of straight people like myself that hang out at these venues as well.

It sure beats your typical bar filled with unattractive middle aged people watching one of the dozens of sports showing on the 23 flat screen televisions they have covering the walls of the place; or your typical club filled with half naked anorexic people bumping and grinding on each other to shitty music and desperately looking for someone to go home with before the place closes; or worse of all, the line dancing clubs filled with fat girls and under 21's in bare midriffs and cowboy hats and creepers in cowboy boots with lassos all dancing to country music (they seriously stop the music and make everyone stand for the national anthem once every night). I'm not even going to mentioned the pretentious hipster venues.

Gay clubs are much more simple, just a bunch of people from different walks of society enjoying drinks and conversation with one another, the dancing is all over the place with everyone on the dance floor doing whatever they like.

Hey, it's me. said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KE0njnZXyY

Lol

Warbler said:

Hey, it's me. said: There a forms of attire that are specifically related and designed for the sexes. And skirts, along with high heels and blouses etc are for women. Just the way it is. Somethings will never change...lol :-D (love that tune)

this ^  a thousand times over.

I'm going to suggest a new tune here, a much older and more timeless tune. Bob Dylan's Times They Are A-changin'.

Everything changes. We used to wear very different clothes than we do now. Just 100 years ago we wore very different clothes than we do now. Just 200 years ago we wore very different clothes than we did now and 100 years ago. Men wearing wigs, makeup, and high heels was once in some places the equivalent of a tuxedo.

Somethings will never change? Please, let's not be so silly! Who knows what fashion will bring in another 100 years time. In another 200 years time. 300 years time. In your lifetimes, clothing styles will change and vary a lot, but perhaps not that much. The clothes your children wear will be very different from your own, but the clothes your grandchildren and great-grandchildren wear will be extremely different, the clothes your great-great-grandchildren and beyond wear will be unrecognizable.

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

strange.   I wonder why.

So you are saying because CP3S sees these urinals in the gay bars he's been to gay people go to the toilet to look at each other?

Hmm, clearly I assumed he meant the "Not sure if serious" in regard to whether or not I was serious that I went to gay bars, not whether or not I was serious if the gay bars I had gone to used trough-urinals. Likewise, I assumed his, "Strange.  I wonder why." was aimed at wondering why I would go to a gay bar, since I am straight, not wondering why the gay bars I have been to might have had trough-style urinals.

Now that you took his wondering why the other way, I am no longer quite sure which one he meant.

I live in the most culturally devoid part of the world I could possibly imagine, and I had never wandered into a gay bar prior to living here, so it probably is just the places I have been to, and not the norm for American gay bars.

However, looking at other dudes while they pee may not be the reason for going to the toilet (I'm assuming the reason for that is a full bladder), but they certainly do just that in there.

When I am there my comfort zone usually leads me to the one and only stall in the place (even though it has no door). But on one particularly drunk occasion, I really, really had to go. Upon arriving in the bathroom I found a few guys peeing in the trough, with a large clump of guys lined up behind them. As the two that had been urinating left, the next in line approached the urinal, an extremely attractive twenty-something. As he undid his pants he said over his shoulder, "Come on guys, don't be shy, there is plenty of room for more than one." No one budged. Drunk and about to burst at the seams, I said screw it to my comfort zone, took the spot beside him. As I was undoing my pants, he said, "Don't worry, I'm not going to look..." and as soon as I had it out finished the delayed sentence with "...MUCH!" and craned his head over to stare directly at it for several seconds.

I was drunk enough to find this incredibly amusing, and even responded with, "I feel like I should let you know that I am a bit more of a grower than a shower." Which got, "Oh, me too! Well... Okay, not really, I'm a grower AND a shower!" As we washed our hands beside each other, he sighed and commented on how he'd had nearly every gay cock in that place as well as several of the straight ones, and really needed some fresh blood. I got out of that somewhat awkward conversation by informing him that I was there with my girlfriend. 

But yeah, peeking at the trough-urinal happens. Though I am sure it usually doesn't turn into awkward propositions.

I read it as Warb assuming gay bars had urinals so the guys could look at each other's junk.

Ah, you took it as Warb stating what he thought must be the obvious in a sarcastic sort of way. The lack of a question mark at the end does seem to indicate that is the case.

Just looking at those pictures makes me wish Colin Baker had played his Doctor in drag, he looked lovely.

CP3S said:

Ah, you took it as Warb stating what he thought must be the obvious in a sarcastic sort of way. The lack of a question mark at the end does seem to indicate that is the case.

I didn't mean it sarcastically.   The lack of a question mark was just an honest mistake.  

CP3S,  these gay bars you've been to,  could they have been in older buildings?    It has been my experience that these trough-style urinals are only in older bathrooms.    I think have ever seen one in a bathroom not more that 30 years old.

TheBoost said:

None of them wore pants. And Louis loved high heels. 

 

and he looks totally ridiculous, which is what that uniform didn't last. 

TheBoost said:

 

ditto.

TheBoost said:

Alexander the Great, Jesus Christ, Louis XVi, Henry 8th,

I don't think Henry 8th wore a dress.      As for the others, they wore clothes that were designed for men and  to right on a man's body.      In addition, those guys come from time periods much different than today.     Finally those guys would never have bought clothes designs for a woman and worn them.

CP3S said:

Warbler said:

CP3S said:

Let's say I want to engage in sexual relations with some dude, or I aspire to become a women when I can afford it; how does this make things complicated for you?

hello?  we were just talking about one of the complications in this very thread before I made my 'nazi statement'.

Wait, the public restroom thing?! I guess I just see that as an extremely small issue. I have mused over which restroom transsexuals or cross dressers may use before, but it was never more than just musing. I've never seen it as a genuine issue or complication.

well, I suppose it is just a small issue. 

CP3S said:

Warbler said:

this coming from the guy that once defended the ban on gays openly serving in the military due to all the complications that arise from gay and straight soldiers using the same bathrooms and showers, sleeping in the same rooms, and using the same foxholes. 

Part of what I argued was related to the issue that many in the military are good ole' country boys, and near and peeing next to gay guys would be hard on morale. I'd probably feel slightly ashamed if I went back and read some of my older posts in this thread.

The reality is, YOU have been one of the many factors that has helped me open my mind on this particular topic, as well as other topics.

Wow!  I had no idea.   I actually had a part in changing your mind?   I am truly shocked. 

greenpenguino said:

Warbler said:

greenpenguino said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

of course they don't look silly, they're women.

Only part time.

Actually I think most of the women in the hot women thread look silly and somewhat uncomfortable

but it's just clothing.

Yikes! Her back must hurt.

Warbler, a lot of men now wear earrings, something that was traditionally worn by women (although it was also worn by men in the past). It doesn't matter whether the man is gay, straight, bi, asexual or whatever, that has become a social norm that people have come to accept. But why should something like that get a pass, whereas me wearing lipstick, skirts and dresses not?

I guess wearing an earring is not as obvious as wearing a dress.

What if I wore a really tiny dress then??

If the dress were as small as an earring, I doubt it cover all the stuff clothes are required to cover.