I'm a feminist! — Page 5

Bingowings said:

I'd imagine most women wouldn't use a urinal but then why would you have one in a unisex toilet?

If you are in a toilet cubicle and a willy watcher pops his head over or under the cubicle you would have as much right to complain as a woman would.

Just the thought of a woman attempting to use a urinal is funny. Certainly liven up the usual habit of, walk in, proceed to urinal furthest from anyone else, ignore stench of someone having a crap, wash hands and fuck off. Lol

Gaffer Tape said:

Warbler said:

that was not my point at all.   You were arguing against a one size fits all mentality.   But in the case of public restrooms we do have to think in those terms because it would be ridiculous for every place to have a separate restroom for each individual.  

You know what?  You're right.  We should just have one bathroom for everybody.  Thanks for helping me see that!

*sigh* 

Gaffer Tape said:

I do just want you to know, Warb, that I don't think you're a Nazi bigot or whatever.

thankyou, I mean it.

Gaffer Tape said:

  I, like CP3S, just find it interesting that you are the "bleeding heart liberal" and yet your own personal level of comfort seems at odd with some of your related philosophies.  I'm actually having a lot of fun with this discussion (you know, aside from your harumphing at a very exciting moment I captured in a photograph but even that was only very minor), and I find your views fascinating.  I really have been interested in getting you to elaborate so I can understand better and, hopefully, I can get you to just entertain the idea of thinking in a new way, especially if it's something out of your comfort zone.

good luck, you'll need it.    

Gaffer Tape said:

so now you are going after my concern that a gay man might want to try to look at my stuff in the restroom.   Tell me, would there be any complaint made about a woman concerned that in a unisex bathroom,  a straight man might try to look at her stuff? 

Of course that's something to be concerned about... but no more so than it already is in same sex bathrooms,

yes, but by keeping the sexes apart, we solve one part of the problem.     The other part remains, unless you want to add a third bathroom for gays or something like that.

Gaffer Tape said:

no matter how much imagination you expend to believe everyone is straight.  If you don't want people looking at One-Eyed Bob or Foxy Box, you have that right.  And this is nothing new.  That's why bathrooms (or fitting rooms at clothing stores) generally offer a degree of privacy, like stalls or partitions. 

one can still peak in one of those.   I had it happen to me.  

Gaffer Tape said:

If you assume someone is looking at you in a bathroom, you have a right to do something about it.  If you steadfastly assume no one is ever looking at you even as you're already peeing around people who could potentially be attracted to your own gender, I don't necessarily see why your perception need change.

what do you expect me to do in your world of unisex bathrooms?   pretend the women in there are men?

There is also one other problem with unisex bathrooms.   The risk a rape.   If  I were female, I don't know that I'd want to use one of these bathrooms for fear that a rapist might be in there waiting until he alone with one female and . . .      well, you know.

Leonardo said:

Gaffer Tape said:

.. If you don't want people looking at One-Eyed Bob or Foxy Box, you have that right. 

Oh man, if there isn't one already, I want an animated show starring these two characters. Heck, I'll make it. Which one you wanna voice, Bob or Foxy?

Screw TheBoost's feminism, this is the best thing to come out of this thread.

Warb, if you're pretending every guy in the bathroom is straight, you might as well pretend every lady is a dude.

How is a unisex loo any different to a unisex beach?

As kids it was a bit embarrassing to take your trunks and bathing costumes off with other kids and adults of the opposite sex around but it would be the same with other boys. We used to cover ourselves with a towel but it would frequently slip.

After a while we all grew out of it and became less insecure.

Gaffer Tape said:

Warbler said:

Gaffer Tape said:

  I, like CP3S, just find it interesting that you are the "bleeding heart liberal" and yet your own personal level of comfort seems at odd with some of your related philosophies.  I'm actually having a lot of fun with this discussion (you know, aside from your harumphing at a very exciting moment I captured in a photograph but even that was only very minor), and I find your views fascinating.  I really have been interested in getting you to elaborate so I can understand better and, hopefully, I can get you to just entertain the idea of thinking in a new way, especially if it's something out of your comfort zone.

good luck, you'll need it.    

Why?  I'm not asking to change your mind necessarily.  Like I said, I just want you to think.  Consider it.  Why does that require so much luck?  Do you really find thinking outside of your comfort zone so impossible?

if thinking outside my comfort means that I shouldn't find men dressing like women a bit weird, then yeah that would be impossible.

Gaffer Tape said:

Gaffer Tape said:

so now you are going after my concern that a gay man might want to try to look at my stuff in the restroom.   Tell me, would there be any complaint made about a woman concerned that in a unisex bathroom,  a straight man might try to look at her stuff? 

Of course that's something to be concerned about... but no more so than it already is in same sex bathrooms,

yes, but by keeping the sexes apart, we solve one part of the problem.     The other part remains, unless you want to add a third bathroom for gays or something like that.

Gaffer Tape said:

no matter how much imagination you expend to believe everyone is straight.  If you don't want people looking at One-Eyed Bob or Foxy Box, you have that right.  And this is nothing new.  That's why bathrooms (or fitting rooms at clothing stores) generally offer a degree of privacy, like stalls or partitions. 

one can still peak in one of those.   I had it happen to me.  

See, those statements are completely contradictory. 

how so?

Gaffer Tape said:

Having same sex bathrooms helps solve that problem, except that the same problem has happened to you. 

I said it would solve part of the problem not all. 

Gaffer Tape said:

How is this any different?  Do you honestly want a separate bathroom for gay people?

well, it would keep everyone out of the bathroom that would like to look at male parts.    But no, I really think keeping bathrooms the way they've been for years is the way to go(no pun intended)

Gaffer Tape said:

Gaffer Tape said:

If you assume someone is looking at you in a bathroom, you have a right to do something about it.  If you steadfastly assume no one is ever looking at you even as you're already peeing around people who could potentially be attracted to your own gender, I don't necessarily see why your perception need change.

what do you expect me to do in your world of unisex bathrooms?   pretend the women in there are men?

There is also one other problem with unisex bathrooms.   The risk a rape.   If  I were female, I don't know that I'd want to use one of these bathrooms for fear that a rapist might be in there waiting until he alone with one female and . . .      well, you know.

You already pretend gay men are straight!  So... I guess... YES!  Again, what's the difference?!

gay men look the same as straight men,  men do not look the same as women.

Gaffer Tape said:

And I am so glad you brought up the rape issue because I've been waiting for someone to.  Again, how does this increase the likelihood of that?  Men already wait in women's restrooms for the opportunity to rape them. 

true but right now they don't belong there.   If one sees a man go into a ladies room,  you know something is wrong.    If lady walks into a ladies room and sees a man standing there, she knows something is wrong.   The same would not be true if we had unisex bathrooms.

It's a bit weird to be hung up on men wearing clothes traditionally worn by women when most women wear trousers and lots of men wear skirts designed specifically for men.

That level of insecurity in the 21st century is a bit tragic.

It's just clothes.

Gaffer Tape said:

If one sees a man go into a ladies room,  you know something is wrong.  

Really?  Because this whole thread started with TheBoost going into a "ladies" room.  Was that wrong?

yeah.    It says ladies room for a reason.   If someone saw him go in there, they'd have every right to be concerned and want the situation investigated.

greenpenguino said:

Warbler said:

gay men look the same as straight men,  men do not look the same as women.

Oh yeah?

BAM!

DOUBLE STANDARDS!!

*sigh* *rolls eyes*

greenpenguino said:

 

Oh dear. Is this going to become another "everyone against Warbler" thread?

 

:(

I think its already become that.

greenpenguino said:

Bingowings said:

It's a bit weird to be hung up on men wearing clothes traditionally worn by women when most women wear trousers and lots of men wear skirts designed specifically for men.

That level of insecurity in the 21st century is a bit tragic.

It's just clothes.

pants somehow don't come off to me at as just male clothing.   But dress somehow do come off to me as female clothing.     I have never seen any skirts designed for men.   I have however seen pants designed for women. 

perhaps, but I think I would also realize there there thinks that it just wouldn't make sense to do in a dress.   Women didn't traditionally wear pants because they didn't traditionally do things would only make sense to do in pants (like being a soldier)

not silly

silly

I like when a dress comes off.