Warbler said:
Gaffer Tape said:
I, like CP3S, just find it interesting that you are the "bleeding heart liberal" and yet your own personal level of comfort seems at odd with some of your related philosophies. I'm actually having a lot of fun with this discussion (you know, aside from your harumphing at a very exciting moment I captured in a photograph but even that was only very minor), and I find your views fascinating. I really have been interested in getting you to elaborate so I can understand better and, hopefully, I can get you to just entertain the idea of thinking in a new way, especially if it's something out of your comfort zone.
good luck, you'll need it.
Why? I'm not asking to change your mind necessarily. Like I said, I just want you to think. Consider it. Why does that require so much luck? Do you really find thinking outside of your comfort zone so impossible?
Gaffer Tape said:
so now you are going after my concern that a gay man might want to try to look at my stuff in the restroom. Tell me, would there be any complaint made about a woman concerned that in a unisex bathroom, a straight man might try to look at her stuff?
Of course that's something to be concerned about... but no more so than it already is in same sex bathrooms,
yes, but by keeping the sexes apart, we solve one part of the problem. The other part remains, unless you want to add a third bathroom for gays or something like that.
Gaffer Tape said:
no matter how much imagination you expend to believe everyone is straight. If you don't want people looking at One-Eyed Bob or Foxy Box, you have that right. And this is nothing new. That's why bathrooms (or fitting rooms at clothing stores) generally offer a degree of privacy, like stalls or partitions.
one can still peak in one of those. I had it happen to me.
See, those statements are completely contradictory. Having same sex bathrooms helps solve that problem, except that the same problem has happened to you. How is this any different? Do you honestly want a separate bathroom for gay people?
Gaffer Tape said:
If you assume someone is looking at you in a bathroom, you have a right to do something about it. If you steadfastly assume no one is ever looking at you even as you're already peeing around people who could potentially be attracted to your own gender, I don't necessarily see why your perception need change.
what do you expect me to do in your world of unisex bathrooms? pretend the women in there are men?
There is also one other problem with unisex bathrooms. The risk a rape. If I were female, I don't know that I'd want to use one of these bathrooms for fear that a rapist might be in there waiting until he alone with one female and . . . well, you know.
You already pretend gay men are straight! So... I guess... YES! Again, what's the difference?!
And I am so glad you brought up the rape issue because I've been waiting for someone to. Again, how does this increase the likelihood of that? Men already wait in women's restrooms for the opportunity to rape them. If someone's going to rape someone, they're probably not going to be deterred by a little blue sign. Conversely, if it's a mixed gender bathroom, you have a higher chance of other men being in there. And, at least I like to think, the majority of people are against rape, and they'd be able to do something about it.