Bingowings said:
Hey, it's me. said:
Fantasy is fantasy but it stills has to stay true to its own rules? So why is it never explained how the sword ends up embedded in a solid block of rock and no one can pull it out? Fantasy has no rules. Human EMOTION is what draws us into fantasy stories, I find it difficult you fail to understand this? We buy into the fantasy element and suspend our disbelief because of the human element to these fantastical stories. Jedi didnt ruin the fantasy of the force, TPM did. I agree, Jedi was weak but it didnt ruin the mystique of the Force.
In fantasy it doesn't need to be explained how the rules work it just has to stick to them.
So if the rule is that only the King can pull the sword from the stone and someone else does and the story doesn't bother to come up with an interesting loophole it's bad fantasy.
The PT introduced an explanation for some of the mechanism keeping the sword in the stone which was extrapolated by ROTJ saying there was an actual mechanism.
In Star Wars and ESB there wasn't a hint of a mechanism it was implied that Jedi abilities were learned abilities and anyone who wanted to and was lucky to find a teacher could do it.
It then makes sense for Vader and the Emperor to kill the teachers and gain a monopoly on that knowledge.
ROTJ turns it into a lineage thing (like Paul and Alia in Dune) and the PT explains to a degree how the lineage thing works.
In my opinion both undermined the mystical aspects of the Force and diminished the tingly magical awe of the concept.
I understand your point, but the fact it was established Vader was Luke's father in ESB undermines that reason. I can't ever remember wondering, so is Vader REALLY Luke's father?, at the end of ESB. I just accepted it. It didnt make make me question wether the force must've been hereditary,like eye colour, because your talking about something fantastical. We were never given a point of reference in those terms so it is what it is. How it affects Luke, Vader emotionally, is far more pertinent than questioning, well is this reasonable?