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nightstalkerpoet said:

Poita, has he contacted you yet? REALLY excited for this :)

Not yet, maybe he doesn't have PMs turned on?

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Spaced Ranger said:

mikeaz123 said:

If there's any thing you want me to check and possibly take a pic of, let me know.

Well, actually, if you can make a best-you-can-color-accurate snapshot during the Deathstar conference room scene, preferably with fleshtone faces (too bad for Darth Vader), at about 36 minutes into the movie (11 minutes into reel 2?), that would be great ... and should stir the pot some, here, at Original Trilogy!  :D

I'll see what I can do! That actually sounds like it'd be near the end of reel 2.

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pushad said:

This could get interesting for sure. So far i do like Harmy's version (minus a few things.. sue me I'm a grumpy old man), but getting to see this would be extremely exciting.

Hope mikeaz123 is the real deal, no offense but this is the Internet after all. My two cents, getting it professionally transferred is surely possible despite the legalities. Lets face it, there are Star Wars fans everywhere... just need to find one in the right spot.

Good luck getting this done, and if there's a safe way to contribute any monies to help I'll be the first in line for sure (this is the Internet after all).

 

A friend projected my reel 4 and then I watched Harmy's version after, he did a pretty good job IMO.  I think there's less grain in the video than there is in the print though, but that's one of those subjective areas you can debate about.  I did notice a couple color issues, but that may be the fault of my iphone camera. 

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poita said:

I'll see if I can hunt you down an SE print.

 

 

S.E. prints for the Trilogy would be awesome since we have the cinema DTS ... it is worth preserving just for the historical factor. :)
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This is indeed VERY exciting to read! I'm not certain how I can help, but you have my support. I am also another one of those "grumpy old men" who saw Star Wars in the theater in '77, and have been patiently waiting to see Team Negative 1's progress on their 35mm project, and now this? This is starting to be a very good year... I feel almost like I did early in 1977, waiting for Star Wars to come to my local theater!

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This is not the same print that was shown in Baltimore is it?  With the platter damage on the sides.

 

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

This is not the same print that was shown in Baltimore is it?  With the platter damage on the sides.

 

No this isn't that print. I heard that there are two excellent prints out there, one of which is the one used in Baltimore (no clue who owns it but I know it cost them $$$$$$), but I'm told those two prints have some issues.  I know of three other collectors who have prints and each one says theirs are choppy or messed up to varying degrees.  I know of two other people who may have them, but I don't know the condition of those.  One collector and I were trying to figure out how many were struck originally, it couldn't have been that many.  The prints were reused for the 1980(?) re release, so they took a further beating then.

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Exactly most are said to have the redo title scroll with A New Hope spliced onto reel 1.  And not intact as original 77 prints.

The baltimore one was altered on reel 1.  I think correct me if i am wrong the redone spliced on section was from fading Eastman color stock.

It was original just called star wars.  The opening crawl was redone to Episode IV: A NEW Hope.

I to this day only call the film Star Wars which confuses 1-6 saga buffs to no end.

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mikeaz123 said:

One collector and I were trying to figure out how many were struck originally, it couldn't have been that many.  The prints were reused for the 1980(?) re release, so they took a further beating then.

According to the info Mike Verta got, around 200 prints in total were struck, only around 10-15 prints of those were complete or was in any viewable condition after their bad mistreatment after Technicolor closed their business. Apparently none of them survived the butchering that took place for the 1981 re-release where they spliced in the revised opening.

You have a real gem there, treat it with love.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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mikeaz123 said:

skyjedi2005 said:

This is not the same print that was shown in Baltimore is it?  With the platter damage on the sides.

 

No this isn't that print. I heard that there are two excellent prints out there, one of which is the one used in Baltimore (no clue who owns it but I know it cost them $$$$$$), but I'm told those two prints have some issues.  I know of three other collectors who have prints and each one says theirs are choppy or messed up to varying degrees.  I know of two other people who may have them, but I don't know the condition of those.  One collector and I were trying to figure out how many were struck originally, it couldn't have been that many.  The prints were reused for the 1980(?) re release, so they took a further beating then.

I always thought it was 2-300ish

 

Edit: Beaten like the empire

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This is very exciting. Please consider releasing it as-is, without any processing. I would love to have a copy!

-G

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Yeah, same here... if anybody feels the need to tinker with it, it's probably best to just release it as it comes. Also, this way it could be released quicker ;)

Thrilling :)

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Starting to worry about the legitimacy of this - I definitely believe the original Reddit stuff, but is there anything indicating mikeaz123 is in fact the owner? (I mean no disrespect, but am simply trying to apply some cautious scrutiny.)

The original poster there was: http://www.reddit.com/user/Mustacheafficianado who appears to have materialized and vanished in a single day or two.

There IS a person on reddit with the same username as here who seems unconnected: http://www.reddit.com/user/Mikeaz123

I've also seen no direct acknowledgement in relation to Poita's offer, which seems quite strange to me, considering it is a realistic potential option. 

I hope that there is something going on behind the scenes here that I'm not privvy to, but... I'm slightly unsure. Would rather be cautious than get my hopes up too high.

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Reddit stalkers? Just don't comb through my history and claim I'm the third boston bomber ok?  :)  I put it on reddit under my throwaway but I'm the same guy.  

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mikeaz123 said:

Reddit stalkers? Just don't comb through my history and claim I'm the third boston bomber ok?  :)  I put it on reddit under my throwaway but I'm the same guy.  

 Fans of the original trilogy are afraid to get their hopes up these days!

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nightstalkerpoet said:

Starting to worry about the legitimacy of this - I definitely believe the original Reddit stuff, but is there anything indicating mikeaz123 is in fact the owner? (I mean no disrespect, but am simply trying to apply some cautious scrutiny.)

The original poster there was: http://www.reddit.com/user/Mustacheafficianado who appears to have materialized and vanished in a single day or two.

There IS a person on reddit with the same username as here who seems unconnected: http://www.reddit.com/user/Mikeaz123

I've also seen no direct acknowledgement in relation to Poita's offer, which seems quite strange to me, considering it is a realistic potential option. 

I hope that there is something going on behind the scenes here that I'm not privvy to, but... I'm slightly unsure. Would rather be cautious than get my hopes up too high.

Jeez guys, don't be such Negative Nellies, and be nice!

If Mike wants to unspool his print and wear it as a hat, he can. It is his print. Mike did get back to me, and is the real deal, either that or I am also part of the conspiracy and the print is actually footage of alien autopsies we have been doing down in area51 when we aren't trolling SW fans ;^)

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Mike seems like a real nice guy. I've emailed him a couple of times now, and he seems easy to get along with, accommodating and not condescending..that in itself is refreshing! I'm looking forward to some more informative posts from him here pretty soon.

I also hear that this version actually has the "non-existent" dual-throwing grappling hook scene, that so many say was NOT in Star Wars in '77 as well, okay, okay, not really, I just wanted to get your attention, and to see who is really reading this.

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No negativity intended. I guess a lot more has been going on behind the scenes than I thought. Which is awesome!

Btw... Excuse my ignorance. I know that many people want a 2k or higher scan, but why not use something like the Kodak p460 to quickly get a "rough draft" scan out there?

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There are a few reasons why that wouldn't work, Apart from whether that scanner would work for cine film at all, which I doubt, but assuming it did,  it takes around 17 seconds per frame, that would equate to 816 hours to scan 2 hours of film.

So at 8 hours a day, it would take around 100 days, assuming you did nothing else.

Even time considerations aside, I personally wouldn't put a valuable print anywhere near something like that, and I doubt the internal software would identify the frame boundaries etc. correctly.

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poita said:

There are a few reasons why that wouldn't work, Apart from whether that scanner would work for cine film at all, which I doubt, but assuming it did,  it takes around 17 seconds per frame, that would equate to 816 hours to scan 2 hours of film.

So at 8 hours a day, it would take around 100 days, assuming you did nothing else.

Even time considerations aside, I personally wouldn't put a valuable print anywhere near something like that, and I doubt the internal software would identify the frame boundaries etc. correctly.

I looked up that scanner and I don't think it would work, I mean you could set the scanner in between the rewinds and slowly do, but that scanner doesn't look very high quality at all.  And I have a feeling that it would take much much more time than that.... however, I assume once the training session is over (or if you're already a pro at it), one could reasonably make a scan that quick.  

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If it helps, I can vouch for the validity of mikeaz123.  He's not bull shitting.

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Not to be a wet blanket, but according to Robert Harris, Tech prints can't be transferred satisfactorily because of their density & they best serve as color reference, not much else.

There are some dissenting views out there & you can take it up with Mr. Harris over at home theater forum, if you care to. ;-)

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Hmm, well, Mr. Harris would certainly know, if anyone would... But I hope there's some way to do it, or at least get very good color-accurate shots of the film print, so it can be used to help with correcting colors on restoration projects.

The Star Wars trilogy. There can be only one.

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Harris said that several years ago, could be wrong but I think things have changed.