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Kingherb said:

Just putting this out there, but i would really like to see Jar Jar Binks dead in the Wampa ice cave :)

Here ya go....... you're welcome. ;)

very funny.......but  really

J

Thinking about the Wampa cave and that it will be take back to more it's original state...

The main thing that bothered me is that the Wampa got his arm cut off from the shoulder and Luke never did and overhead downward or upward vertical swipe with lightsabre.

It was more of a horizontal swing which would have never managed to cut the creature in that way we see and also when you take into account it's size... His Hand being lobbed off would be far better than his whole arm.

*Edit*

Ok cool that awful scene is being cut thank god might be good to see the shot of his head roaring again at this point where he attacks luke and the taun taun but with a cave background.

A possible way to add in tension and keep the SE music score would be using dripping icicles as a device for scenes of the wampa being cut... It's like a clock or constant but accentuated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImkEZxAr9wU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0iPpCcAKHE

This may work very well to achieve a tension similar to the original or improve upon the original whilst preserving the SE score or just be a clever trick to show even less WAMPA. But I am certainly looking forward to this monster moment this may even be a better start to the sequence.

I'd even go as far to say the awful shot from the original where we see part of him walking would be better only seeing a bit of fur and some steamy breath.. or something like this..

Better he springs out of nowhere like he did before.

Better stock footage that is free to use of Icicles melting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN4iWYsYzBs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2In-j3hdZU0

even if only to help animate the cave a bit better visual enhancement

Ronster said:

...Icicles melting...

 

Springtime for Vader?

JJJ_Spirit_Of_77 said:

Kingherb said:

Just putting this out there, but i would really like to see Jar Jar Binks dead in the Wampa ice cave :)

Here ya go....... you're welcome. ;)

Ooh mooey mooey I love you! Mesa day startin pretty okee-day with a brisky morning munchy, then BOOM! Gettin very scared and grabbin that Jedi and POW! Mesa here! Mesa gettin' very very scared!

"Bright Hope"? That's...awful. It's like a My Little Pony.

Die EU. Die.

(German for "The EU. The.")

 

We don't need melting icicles. Hoth is -3,000,000*C. Why would ice melt in the Wampa's lair? Unless the Wampa lit a match, there should be no melting ice. If we have melting icicles in the Wampa's lair, them Echo Base should be melted from all the heat from the machines and wires/cables.

 

 

We don't need to see icicles melting but It would make the cave feel like a real cave and animated and not just a movie set.

It's warmer inside the Cave than outside, theres a wampa living in it..Luke is also in it. There are icicles all over the ceiling... Icicles are formed by moisture collecting and freezing while running with gravity to earth. The Wampa has been actively doing something to fasten Luke to the ceiling generating heat in the area.

Assuming the Wampa is similar in biology to the Taun Taun they would be hot blooded and be mammalian in nature. The wampa would also need to urinate and breathe this hot steamy urination and breath inside the cave would help explain all the icicles as presumably the wampa eats snow as a form of hydration also.

Not sure on the technique the wampa uses but perhaps saliva to fasten luke to the ceiling. I will assume the process is done to have Lukes Blood collect in his head and upper torso and this is tastier and more satisfying for the wampa to eat. It would also be the hottest part of the human body tipping somone upside down would make your head even warmer...

but only a subtle effect of iceicles melting if any was added. and it's also meant to be a subtle device so your missing the point a bit there.

As far as echo base is concerned that actually does not make any sense but It's a fun movie same goes for the cave.

An article regarding actual falling speed of (Luke) falling (from an) AT-AT('s). Will this be considered for the edit? Since there seems such a devotion to making things realistic to a certain degree, I thought this might help.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/05/how-long-would-it-take-an-at-at-to-fall/

I always thought I was good at paying attention to detail and inconsistencies... but wow...

Ady, I don't know how you listen to all of this and not get frustrated to the point of quitting...  

I applaud you for your stance on "eating the meat and spitting out the bones".  You have the patience of a saint and I can't wait to see your versions released, with whatever you think is best!  After watching ANH:R a few years back, I have faith that the rest of the films will be fantastic to my eyes, with very little input from me  :)

I'm all for passion - and I understand that some of the changes I appreciate in ANH:R are because of these type of suggestions in this forum - but there's gotta be a line somewhere, right?

I myself think the article is interesting, but way over-thought. I wasn't trying to force anything down your throats in name of realism.

But I figured maybe you might get a kick out of it :)

Oh and L0conut, my post wasn't directed at you either - I just got caught up on posts after a while of not reading here.

Either way, loco suggestion nonetheless... badum pish!

*crickets*

obikal said:

Oh and L0conut, my post wasn't directed at you either - I just got caught up on posts after a while of not reading here.

 

Either way, loco suggestion nonetheless... badum pish!

 

*crickets*

I was trying to come up with a distraction of some kind to make the wampa a bit scarier... Another point of focus...Oh well you might think I am a lunatic but I am trying to flesh stuff out not to hinder anyone... read this and have a go yourself about why horror scares us... And try and come up with something... We all know you don't need to see the Wampa or only a small glimpse or only know he is there but what can make it work better still?

http://www.fictionfactor.com/guests/horror.html

would it be better to not hear so much too?

better if your not sure he is there or not?

I think it would be better only to see a slight shadow and then he springs out and a brief scratching noise no moans or groans as soon as you let the audience know he is there the game is up.

Or you think he is somewhere and he comes from another place..

Perhaps the wampa won't be in the cave at all in adys edit I am scaring you now? lol he could be waiting outside lol

The biggest trick here that Ady can pull is that we are not familiar with it and that it is not what we are used too for this scene especially. Although the Wampa Cave is so iconic it was not executed very well on both occasions. But better on the first for sure.

I hope you understand what am I am trying to say but I am not so good at communicating stuff sometimes.

I think the real trick to solving the wampa cave is almost entirely in the sound mix not so much visual but a combination for sure.

I don't want to harp on about the dripping icicle but if you think about sound in the wampa cave. The sound is the main problem.

If you play the sound of a dripping icicle off (and visually represented) against luke trying to pull his sabre out of the ice and it's really quiet in the cave.

As far as the musical score goes it might need playing with also to get the right effect.

without going too overboard elements of retro synth for otherworldly feel here could be what is actually needed rather than lukes theme and Willams score mostly removed along with the wampa groaning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho097qauXN4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh0laxfU5zc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvGmQcUvaxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry6oY0oGAZ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXM1IGiEhyk

here are some arp odyssey sounds. and I only mean minimal use of something like this in a sfx capacity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4SbDBGc2BY

at 3.46 

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHRgCKgbiVk

0.03 /2.42 / 5.07

Horror fx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh6L44rVaas

01.35 on this one is great

Although giving many examples I mean very minimal use of any sound it has to be quiet

Luke does not know if the wampa is there or not because we can not hear him at all moaning or groaning constantly like he's committing suicide. we also don't see him until he springs out from wherever he comes from.

Luke trying to be quiet will be greatly enhanced, and all that can be played with in this sequence is fear of the unknown that is the angle.

That was what I was trying to get at here, sorry but this train of thought has taken it's time to come to fruition and explain it more properly.

a lot easier said than done though probably

no problem, I was just trying to identify what the issues with the scene are...And it is the sound mix in my opinion and seeing the wampa before he springs out.

My suggestions are only that nothing more...Argue them all you like... I am not claiming to be right just exploring ideas... I hope it gives other people ideas also.

The Nerd said:

Ronster said:

I don't want to harp on about the dripping icicle but if you think about sound in the wampa cave. The sound is the main problem.

This is something that I've always found wrong, the no sound in the cave i mean. Snow winds and cave sounds can be made simply by setting up a recording device and running your hand over the carpet, using a tooth brush on a slab of wood, recording a sound (and turning the sound down). Combine these and BOOM!!! You have a snow storm. Though, more sounds may need to be recorded if you want new sounds in the storm.

you right... I have been focusing so much on inside the cave there is a snow storm meant to be going on also snow storm ambience too especially when we see luke upside down.

Regarding john williams score it's fine right at the start with the tension strings and as soon as the wampas arm get's chopped off but everything pretty much everything in between I think more or less fails the sting when he first goes to grab his sabre is also ok.

I'll cite the begining and end as williams score to be kept perhaps and any noises luke makes and the wampa once he shows himself.

It's practically a total rebuild of the sound mix