CP3S said:
Warbler said:
CP3S said:
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Tell me, just how many French people have you known, Warb?
not many. ABC for one. how about you?
I've been there to visit a few times, knew a number of French students in college, dated an American girl who lived in France for several years and met a few of her French friends. My freshmen year of college, specifically, I knocked around with this pretty French girl named Anna for a little while.
ok you know the French better than I do. tell me what they think of America.
Tell you what which one of them thought of America?
how about giving me the prevailing opinion?
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I am proud to be an American.I am proud to be a highly evolved monkey man with opposable thumbs. And I feel very fortunate to have been born in a country where I have had the life's opportunities I have had, such as education, my opportunities to work abroad, traveling, access to ideas, as well as all the benefits secured for us by the founders through the Constitution. It is a good place to live.
yet you were embarrassed to say that you were from this good place.
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When I was out of the country, I used to tell strangers that I was Canadian.
honestly, I have to say, you should be ashamed of yourself for doing so. No American should be embarrassed to admit he's/she's an American.
I'm not ashamed of it.
well you should be.
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Being an American carries a lot of negative stigma with it throughout the world, I wasn't prepared to deal with it that back then. Now I am more secure. It is extremely easy for you to tell me I should be ashamed, when you've never stepped outside of our front door, so to speak.
I may not have traveled abroad, but I know one thing for certain: I would never ever, EVER, EVER!! be embarrassed to say that I am an American. I am offended at the notion of it.
Anyone that wants to give me negative stigma for being an American can go fuck themselves. I am not going to hide what I am.
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When you're abroad, you find that people from the United States have an almost universal reputation of being very fat, very loud, and very ignorant.
and you complain about my thinking on the French. You are just as bad as that, if not worse, when it comes to your own country.
The "very fat, very loud, and very ignorant" thing isn't from me. That is seriously the stigma attached to us that I heard from people again and again, much like the French being snobs, and the British having atrocious teeth. It is our stereotype.
yet instead of fighting against this stereotype, you cooperated with it. You could have been an example to them of an American who was not "very fat, very loud, and very ignorant" instead, you made them think you were Canadian. Think about that.
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When I'd hear them make these comments about the country I was from, it really hurt.
and what do you hearing that an American(whom I consider to be a friend) was embarrassed to be an American and hid that fact while abroad and pretended to be Canadian, makes me other Americans feel? That really hurt too.
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Yes, I am an American. I was born here. I was half raised here. I am very much a product of American culture and American thinking.
could have fooled me.
Ouch.
well it's true, Mr Canadian.
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9/11 was a lose/lose situation, and we lost and and we lost. It took us many years to get Bin Laden, and by the time we did he was an old useless has been who couldn't even leave the house in hiding. Bin Laden cost way more lives than he was worth.
so we should have just let him get away with it?!?! Sorry no, when someone murders 3000 people, I want him to pay for it. We needed to get him to show that, you attack America, we take you out. Why wouldn't you want a murderer brought to justice? Next you'll be saying we should have never tried to find the people that did the Boston bombing. You are turning into a pacifist.
It seems the United Nations didn't start collecting data on the number of civilians killed in Afghanistan until 2006, since then, over 14,000 (pushing 15,000) civilians were killed thanks to our war. If you ask me, there is absolutely no way to justify that. His actions set into motion the deaths of 3,000 Americans, ours well over 14,000 Afghans. That is noncombatants, people as innocent as those 3,000 that died on 9/11, and that number is just since 2006, half the extent of the conflict.
If you include the American lives, the lives of other military personnel from around the world, and the lives of those fighting against us along with the full number of collateral fatalities for the entire extent of Americans war in Afghanistan... That is a lot of dead humans.
I highly doubt the elusive terrorists could have killed a decent fraction of as many people in as many years. If this doesn't stop and cause you to rethink it, nothing will. But hey, we got Bin Laden out of it! Justice is a beautiful thing, right?
in all of this, you never answered my question, should we have just let them get away with it? It is now wrong to bring murderers to justice?
But 15,000 civilians killed is too many. We should have found way to avoid that. I thought we were not deliberately targeting civilians. I am not sure how without deliberately targeting civilians, we end up with 15,000 civilians killed. We still should have gone after Bin Laden, but maybe we should have done it in a different way.
then again, how maybe died in the liberation of France in WWII? Probably alot, included French civilians. Are you going to tell me we should left France under Nazi control?
btw, you opinion of how many people the terrorists could kill fails to consider what might happen if they get a hold of nukes.