Warbler said:
xhonzi said:
Warbler said:
It is possible in the future that some nut might it into his head to do one of these shootings in an effort to get gun control legislation passed? It is. But was that the motivation for the people that did the shootings I mentioned? I haven't heard that it was.
Honestly, I don't suppose any of these shooters were anti-gun-nuts. I believe there is something wrong with them... but not that.
However, I am willing to suppose that someone set them up that was. Someone that let the proverbial lion run wild in the proverbial village because it met their own agenda.
set them up? how? prove this.
Use your imagination. I'm not sure what you want me to prove... That it's possible? That's all I'm claiming here. We've already both agreed that it's possible.
Perhaps my usage of the word 'suppose' was too strong. Please replace with 'entertain the idea'.
xhonzi said:
And, barring that, I firmly believe that anti-gun-nuts decided it was the perfect opportunity to push legislation... one that they have been praying for.
I suppose it is possible that the some anti-gun people are happy about the shootings, in that it gives them the opportunity to get gun control legislation passed.
Then we are in agreement.
But I believe the overwhelming majority of anti-gun are upset about the shootings as I am and just want to get gun control legislation passed in order to save lives.
Then we are in agreement.
On the other hand I could argue that maybe gun nuts set up the guys that did the bombings in order show that nuts will still kill people ever if they do not have guns.
I think that's way sillier than anything I said. For the record.
xhonzi said:
If the intended reaction is that people get mad (or scared, or whatever), and pass all sorts of new freedom-limiting laws (or whatever)... then that's the reaction we must not give. If we do, then we have been manipulated to give these sickos just what they want.
whether or not gun control legislation is a good idea has nothing to do with what these sickos what.
See my comments in reply to Frink- about giving in to temper tantrums.
Lets say for the sake of argument that gun control could save lives and prevent massacres, are you telling me we shouldn't pass it merely because it is what the sickos want?
Don't negotiate with terrorists. Don't let people manipulate your actions.