AntcuFaalb said:
I hope someone finds the Marco Polo serial one day...
I don't know what's taking BBC so long. All they have to do is keep calling out the first half of its name.
TheBoost said:
AntcuFaalb said:
I hope someone finds the Marco Polo serial one day...
I don't know what's taking BBC so long. All they have to do is keep calling out the first half of its name.
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valinkrai said:
What are some good Classic Who episodes? I was gonna try and watch the all over time, but the first two 1st Doctor Arcs were horribly boring and slow. I watched the Tom Baker Ark in Space one and liked it, but the following story involving egypt and such was horribly boring. Anyone know of a list that has the best of each Doctor? I really want to get a better idea of Classic Who, but its been so hit or miss.
No love for Pyramids of Mars? Sutekh would like to have a few words with you! ;)
The Five Doctors, made for the 20th anniversary of the show, is a good way to sample the classic series.
Where were you in '77?
I had not seen Pyramids of Mars. The First Doctor Episodes I saw were the first arc and the first Daleks appearance.
I am not sure that The Five Doctors is a good starting point, without a good knowledge of the history of the series, you won't enjoy it as much.
Perhaps. I went into it somewhat cold in the early 80's only having seen Tom Baker episodes, (it somehow aired before my local PBS station got to the Peter Davidson era) but it got me wondering why I hadn't seen episodes from the first three fellows, and wanting to see their respective runs.
Where were you in '77?
I liked the last episode up until the point they got to pyramid and then it became bizarrely bad.
Bad but in a WTF am I watching sort of way.
I presume the evil planet thing is another iteration of The Great Intelligence (same face as the snowmen and the Amy Pond's apple).
The eighties stuff was really good, the alien market was okay but I thought but the whole complicated mess of subduing thing a) with item b) via slow moving whispering baddies d) and in failing via a battle with blue lights resulting in item c) waking up and needing to be overfed with singing, memories and items of a sentimental value......?????????
In the round as bad as the worst things RTD could throw together.
The Moff is a great writer and handled the show very well for the first two series of Smith's tenure so I can only assume that the undisclosed internal politics of the BBC are the real issue here.
Half a series last year and half a series and a special this year??
It's shaping up to be the worst 50th anniversary party evar!
I appreciate he is in charge of Sherlock as well but that's three episodes a year.
With an evil two faced Tory government and Doctor Who in peril it really does feel like the 1980's again.
RE: missing stories I have been recently been watching Loose Cannon's reconstructions in conjunction with the existing episodes and it works. I saw Marco Polo, The Wheel In Space and The Faceless Ones for the first time (sorta) last weekend and they were grand.
Oh and anyone slagging off Pyramids Of Mars can take a long walk off a short asteroid.
valinkrai said:
Anyone know of a list that has the best of each Doctor? I really want to get a better idea of Classic Who, but its been so hit or miss.
Top Five for each:
1st Doctor: 5) An Unearthly Child (first episode only, rest are basically a different story) 4) The Edge of Destruction 3) The Daleks 2) The Dalek Invasion of Earth 1) The War Machines
2nd Doctor: 5) The Power of the Daleks (reconstruction) 4) The Tomb of the Cybermen 3) The Invasion 2) The Evil of the Daleks (reconstruction) 1) The War Games
3rd Doctor: 5) Terror of the Autons, 4) Death to the Daleks, 3) Spearhead from Space 2) Inferno 1) The Silurians
4th Doctor: 5) The Robots of Death 4) The Brain of Morbius 3) Logopolis 2) City of Death 1) Genesis of the Daleks
5th Doctor: 5) The Five Doctors 4) Resurrection of the Daleks 3) Mawdryn Undead 2) Planet of Fire 1) The Caves of Androzani
6th Doctor: The Two Doctors (not much else from this era holds up)
7th Doctor: 5) Survival 4) Silver Nemesis 3) Battlefield 2) Dragonfire 1) Remembrance of the Daleks
8th Doctor: The TV Movie
---I know you asked for Classic Who, but might as well point out---
9th Doctor: 5) Rose 4) Boom Town 3) Bad Wolf/ The Parting of Ways 2) Dalek 1) The Empty Child/ The Doctor Dances
10th Doctor: 5) The Christmas Invasion 4) Human Nature/ The Family of Blood 3) Army of Ghosts/ Doomsday 2) The Girl in the Fireplace 1) Blink
11th Doctor: 5) Amy's Choice 4) Vincent and the Doctor 3) The Lodger 2) The Eleventh Hour 1) The Girl who Waited
The Aluminum Falcon said:
valinkrai said:
Anyone know of a list that has the best of each Doctor? I really want to get a better idea of Classic Who, but its been so hit or miss.
Top Five for each:
1st Doctor: 5) An Unearthly Child (first episode only, rest are basically a different story) 4) The Edge of Destruction 3) The Daleks 2) The Dalek Invasion of Earth 1) The War Machines
2nd Doctor: 5) The Power of the Daleks (reconstruction) 4) The Tomb of the Cybermen 3) The Invasion 2) The Evil of the Daleks (reconstruction) 1) The War Games
3rd Doctor: 5) Terror of the Autons, 4) Death to the Daleks, 3) Spearhead from Space 2) Inferno 1) The Silurians
4th Doctor: 5) The Robots of Death 4) The Brain of Morbius 3) Logopolis 2) City of Death 1) Genesis of the Daleks
5th Doctor: 5) The Five Doctors 4) Resurrection of the Daleks 3) Mawdryn Undead 2) Planet of Fire 1) The Caves of Androzani
6th Doctor: The Two Doctors (not much else from this era holds up)
7th Doctor: 5) Survival 4) Silver Nemesis 3) Battlefield 2) Dragonfire 1) Remembrance of the Daleks
8th Doctor: The TV Movie
---I know you asked for Classic Who, but might as well point out---
9th Doctor: 5) Rose 4) Boom Town 3) Bad Wolf/ The Parting of Ways 2) Dalek 1) The Empty Child/ The Doctor Dances
10th Doctor: 5) The Christmas Invasion 4) Human Nature/ The Family of Blood 3) Army of Ghosts/ Doomsday 2) The Girl in the Fireplace 1) Blink
11th Doctor: 5) Amy's Choice 4) Vincent and the Doctor 3) The Lodger 2) The Eleventh Hour 1) The Girl who Waited
Thanks. Exactly the kind of list I was looking for. I've already gotten caught up on modern Who. Kinda surprised you didn't put Midnight on 10. So many good Tennant episodes though. It and Blink are basically my favorite TV episode of any show ever.
I would add The Aztecs and The Romans for the first Doctor.
I'd swap the Brain Of Morbius for Image Of The Fendahl for the fourth or just watch the Key To Time sequence and get a whole arc with variety. No Deadly Assassin (the story that inspired The Matrix) and defined Time Lord society for the rest of the show's history?
Swap The Five Doctors with Enlightenment for the fifth add Revelation of the Daleks and Mark Of The Rani to the Sixth.
I'd forget Survival (terrible acting, terrible Hale and Pace cameo) and Silver Nemesis (Cybermen at their most pathetic) and watch The Curse Of Fenric instead and why anyone would recommend Rose or The Christmas Invasion is beyond me but each to their own.
The Aluminum Falcon said:
3rd Doctor: 5) Terror of the Autons, 4) Death to the Daleks, 3) Spearhead from Space 2) Inferno 1) The Silurians
The Three Doctors????
Obviously not to The Aluminum Falcon's taste, it's fun in places but hardly essential viewing unlike the very long and horribly bleak Inferno.
The Mind Of Evil and Ambassadors of Death are a real hoot as is...oh watch them all...
My first story was Carnival Of Monsters and that's a hoot too.
Mark Gatiss was really good in League Of Gentlemen and his documentaries are great but he really shouldn't be allowed near Doctor Who.
The Unquiet Dead wasn't bad but since then everything he has done with the show has been dull, derivative of previous episodes or damaging to iconic creatures.
The Cold War is a mash up of Dalek with a small smattering of The Ice Warriors.
The thing inside another thing and chain memes continue here.
Ice Warrior armour is now some kind of Martian encounter suit (effectively turning them into another Dalek/Cyberman/Toclafane derivative), in which case why get rid of the original iconic clamp hands and why is a warrior of high rank dressed in a grunt's armour?
Surely he should wear the more regal looking armour of an Ice Lord
and why are they even being called Ice Warriors? That a name humans give them in the future.
The episode might have been great if it was twice as long. Huge chunks of the story seem to be missing leaving the thing feeling rushed.
An Ice Warrior on a submarine doesn't really fit, a Sea Devil on a submarine would have been a better mix like this misleading novelisation cover (subs barely feature in the story) :
Lucky it was 1983 though because if the Tardis had been displaced to 1986 Antarctica it would have bumped into itself encountering the Cybermen for the first time.
When watching old Dr. Who, it is important to remember that they were extremely low-budget weekly serials. So special effects, details, continuity, etc. all suffered as the episodes had to be made very quickly. So it was all about the ideas, plot development, feeding the imagination, unique characters, and the quirky acting by the Doctor.
Also, the pacing was indeed much, MUCH slower than by today's standards, and stories were drawn out sometimes over 4 weeks, even up to 8 weeks. That's how movies and shows were back then. It's one of the things I enjoy about the old shows, you could really get immersed in a story over a long period of time, and really get to know the characters. Even now, if I watch an old story, I try and watch one installment, then a couple of days later, watch the next installment, etc., instead of bang-bang and its over in an hour.
Of the classic episodes, some of my favorites are "Talons of Weng Chang", "Genesis of the Daleks" (which has probably the best climax of any Who episode ever), and "Remembrance of the Daleks". I like the modern episodes too -- "Blink" blew me away. Although some of them are too melodramatic.
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I was worried when I got the notification of a new post. "Oh no! I can't read the post, I didn't watch---"
Yes I did. That's my review of the episode. 24 hours later and its completely gone from my memory.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I remember more. The TARDIS has a "scaredy-cat" setting now? That's convenient for the plot. That's probably something they have to think of every episode. Why can't he use the Sonic Screwdriver? He dropped it. Why can't they just get everyone out on the TARDIS? It got scared and left. Introducing Clara to the TARDIS translation matrix in an episode where the TARDIS is on the other side of the planet is pretty weak. How do The Doctor and Clara get from one side of the planet to the other? Certainly not in the Russian sub.
Are they still going with the "every episode is a movie" thing they did in the first half? Because I can't say any of these episodes is very epic so far.
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She had it in the Troughton era which Matt Smith loves so much (the invisibility thing in the Nixon episodes were part of the same feature).
The current run looks expensive but it feels like as I said, like a toy advert, very Lucas, faster but less interesting.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Also, the pacing was indeed much, MUCH slower than by today's standards, and stories were drawn out sometimes over 4 weeks, even up to 8 weeks. That's how movies and shows were back then. It's one of the things I enjoy about the old shows, you could really get immersed in a story over a long period of time, and really get to know the characters. Even now, if I watch an old story, I try and watch one installment, then a couple of days later, watch the next installment, etc., instead of bang-bang and its over in an hour.
In America, at least where I live, they showed a whole instead of just 1 part a week.
Warbler said:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Also, the pacing was indeed much, MUCH slower than by today's standards, and stories were drawn out sometimes over 4 weeks, even up to 8 weeks. That's how movies and shows were back then. It's one of the things I enjoy about the old shows, you could really get immersed in a story over a long period of time, and really get to know the characters. Even now, if I watch an old story, I try and watch one installment, then a couple of days later, watch the next installment, etc., instead of bang-bang and its over in an hour.
In America, at least where I live, they showed a whole instead of just 1 part a week.
Where I lived we got two episodes a week on PBS, Saturday mornings. About 11 o'clock, late enough that the cartoons were over on the main channels.
Warbler said:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Also, the pacing was indeed much, MUCH slower than by today's standards, and stories were drawn out sometimes over 4 weeks, even up to 8 weeks. That's how movies and shows were back then. It's one of the things I enjoy about the old shows, you could really get immersed in a story over a long period of time, and really get to know the characters. Even now, if I watch an old story, I try and watch one installment, then a couple of days later, watch the next installment, etc., instead of bang-bang and its over in an hour.
In America, at least where I live, they showed a whole instead of just 1 part a week.
Interesting... that's not how it was where I was (in Colorado).
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IIRC, the BBC used to offer "movie edits" of the Tom Baker stories. When I lived in N.J. in the 70's, the local PBS station switched to showing these on the weekends with great fanfare. I think it was one episode every weeknight before that.
The L.A. PBS station here would show an entire story on Saturday mornings in the late 80's, early 90's, but in it's original episodic form. I'm kind of used to watching a story all in one go as a result.
Where were you in '77?
Hide was a great episode. Visually arresting and jammed full of interesting ideas.
It might sound weird but why couldn't the Doctor be stuck in 1974 now instead of back in 1974?
The look and feel of the clothing and the electrical equipment added a touch of The Stone Tape to the piece and the 'monster' was genuinely disturbing. All that was missing was an old style radiophonic soundtrack.
I can see a generation of kids looking back at this one in the same way I was freaked out by The Image Of The Fendahl.
I liked "Hide". I'm not sure why, I was NOT looking forward to a haunted house story. But it worked itself into a Good Timey-Wimey.
I can't wait for the 50th. I want to see Tennant & The Old TARDIS (which is also the name of my Mumford & Sons cover band).
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Since everyone is saying Hide is pretty good, I am going to skip the last couple of episodes and give it a shot.
I'm starting to think they have almost lost the knack for 'writing for the night' television. That is, writing episodes that can be watched and enjoyed independently from each other at the time of broadcast.
I say this because I re-watched a few recently that I didn't like at all because of the breakneck pacing (presumably designed to appeal to the gnat-like attention speed attributed to most youngsters these days) and found I rather liked them the second time around with other episodes bookending them (Cold War was much more fun seen next to Hide for example).
Are we witnessing UK telly giving itself to the boxset side?
I liked Hide too. It was a great deal better than some of the last few episodes which have ranged from 'UGH' to 'meh'
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