rockin said:
http://www.xylonhd.com/home/2012/9/16/raiders-of-the-lost-ark-comparison-pix.html
Anyone seen this?
Seems like a good comparison of all the different sources.
Xylon does good work, shame the trolls scared him off AVS.
This new 4k state of the art scan revels no more (in some cases less) detail than the old ones, either it was not done well or they are pulling our leg that it was new and not just reframed and recoloured.
Mavimao said:
Dvdmike: I apologize for using the word 'rant' and rest assured I wasn't criticizing you for your preference as to which version of Raiders you prefer.
I should have worded myself better, but I was trying to explain that what is on the o-neg is not color corrected. A film will have its colors tweaked in post and those colors are represented on what is called an IP - which stands for intermediate print and is about a generation or two away from the o-neg. They make a negative from the IP and this is how release prints are made.
Nowadays, bluray transfers are almost always going to the o-neg, but when they do this, they have to completely redo the timing on the film. Some posthouses might look at an IP or theatrical print to get an idea for how a film originally looked (like Harmy's despecialized), or then some might go completely crazy and try to make it look more modern.
So I was criticizing the fact that you were comparing the timing of a film - in this case Raiders of the lost ark- to it's real life counterparts. Like the fact that you saw the real stained glass windows somewhere or that the nazi flags never had the same hue in real life as on the bluray. This is a flawed arguement because color timists - even in the days of antiquidated optical filters - have been tweaking the colors in order to compensate for subtle changes in lighting between shots or wishing to create a certain mood.
I'm not here to argue that the bluray or any other transfer is more faithful to the original screening, because I honestly don't know. I just wanted to explain that you can't use a real life prop or location to determine the original colors of a film's theatrical release.
No problem, I get what you are saying, but two mastering houses scanned the OCN and they came back with the same result independently, that cannot be just a coincidence