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TServo2049 said:

The blue light through the blinds still looks teal. Can that be fixed?

The reason you think that is because the blue colors in the old BD is more purple. I've tried to alter it more but some scenes are affected in a bad way with blue looking more purple than it should. I think the balance is pretty ok now.

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I think it is as good as it is going to get and miles better than the studio release 

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dvdmike said:

I think it is as good as it is going to get and miles better than the studio release 

Agreed.

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I literally just registered here to say how much I love the color restoration that's done on this project. It actually looks like a **gasp!** cheap movie filmed in 1984! I said as much in the Bluray.com thread and, naturally, was laughed out of the page...

People over there claim the BD "finally replicates the actual colors of the film after all these DECADES of wrong transfers"...They don't seem to get that color correction isn't applied like a bad teal filter over the image like on the studio transfer.

Anyway keep up the good work and I'd love to see you do the same thing with the Raiders transfer!

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themadbutcher said:

I literally just registered here to say how much I love the color restoration that's done on this project. It actually looks like a **gasp!** cheap movie filmed in 1984! I said as much in the Bluray.com thread and, naturally, was laughed out of the page...

People over there claim the BD "finally replicates the actual colors of the film after all these DECADES of wrong transfers"...They don't seem to get that color correction isn't applied like a bad teal filter over the image like on the studio transfer.

Anyway keep up the good work and I'd love to see you do the same thing with the Raiders transfer!

Blu-ray.com 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttKJwvFIgw

 

Raiders already has the Wowow HDTV versions so we have the original timing 

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dvdmike said:

Raiders already has the Wowow HDTV versions so we have the original timing 

There's some debate over whether or not RotLA has the original colortiming in its BD release.

I think it does, but I can understand why people would disagree with me.

I know they're not the best source, but I've seen enough original RotLA 35mm cells to think that the BD is more accurate than previous home video releases.

Plus, wouldn't the post-house have chosen teal-and-orange over yellow? :-P

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I saw it 35mm not too long ago and it was 100% green/blue

The orange flags really highlight this issue

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dvdmike said:

I saw it 35mm not too long ago and it was 100% green/blue

The orange flags really highlight this issue

Interesting.

Does the HDTV transfer look much better?

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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It is sharpened a little but I personally think it resolves more detail, it is the same master set LaserPacific did that the Blu's of Doom and Crusade came from

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dvdmike said:

It is sharpened a little but I personally think it resolves more detail, it is the same master set LaserPacific did that the Blu's of Doom and Crusade came from

What's the bitrate? Where can I get it from? Is it on Usenet?

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A quick look on usenet pops up with 

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That was uploaded in 2010 so it not the new master, and I think we have hijacked the thread a little

 

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dvdmike: True. Let's go to PM.

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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No idea, it is from the WOWOW broadcast, not the lesser BBC Lowry mess of a transfer, it is well done and well encoded.

I think it looks more natural and more like the film I know, there are issues with sharpening and aliasing, but they are the same set of transfers on disc for Doom and Crusade.

There are caps in the colour timing thread I linked to earlier today.

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FWIW, as far as ROTLA, there's also a 20GB version on RuTracker using the same HDTV master dvdmike, speaks of. I downloaded it awhile ago, and it's really high quality.

For the Terminator shots, I really like the color-corrected timing that dark_jedi and You_Too have done. The teal cast is removed; however, it looks more accurate than the old transfer, which itself never seemed entirely accurate color-wise.

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

FWIW, as far as ROTLA, there's also a 20GB version on RuTracker using the same HDTV master dvdmike, speaks of. I downloaded it awhile ago, and it's really high quality.

For the Terminator shots, I really like the color-corrected timing that dark_jedi and You_Too have done. The teal cast is removed; however, it looks more accurate than the old transfer, which itself never seemed entirely accurate color-wise.

So there is! it is the 1080i original mine was made from by the looks of it!

I will get it and make my own encode!

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Impressive color work on T1 You_Too!

Regarding the various broadcasts of Raiders, keep in mind that they contain digitally tweaked fx-shots which the BD finally restored.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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msycamore said:

Impressive color work on T1 You_Too!

Regarding the various broadcasts of Raiders, keep in mind that they contain digitally tweaked fx-shots which the BD finally restored.

Nope, those are the Lowry BBC ones, these are the theatrical versions from WOWOW

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Actually, the WOWOW broadcasts had the original jeep drop.

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TServo2049 said:

Actually, the WOWOW broadcasts had the original jeep drop.

Yes, I know but I'm talking about the subtle tweaks that originated with the 2003 dvd.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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They are identical to the Blu as far as changes go, the Blu has the removed reflection also nothing else was changed 

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themadbutcher said:

I literally just registered here to say how much I love the color restoration that's done on this project. It actually looks like a **gasp!** cheap movie filmed in 1984! I said as much in the Bluray.com thread and, naturally, was laughed out of the page...

People over there claim the BD "finally replicates the actual colors of the film after all these DECADES of wrong transfers"...They don't seem to get that color correction isn't applied like a bad teal filter over the image like on the studio transfer.

Thank you for your support!

But you know, it's always the same on such forums. Sometimes I think it's a bit of a denial because they simply don't want to know that the blu-ray they bought is not the best it could be.

And by the way, not only is there a teal filter over the whole thing, but whites have been turned green as well.

It starts right away with the MGM logo and ends when the credit roll starts.

Look here:

At first glance, your eyes adjust and tells you the text is white.

But here's the color of that text beside a pure white:

This reminds me a lot of what was done with the Fellowship of the ring extended edition blu-ray.

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Anyway keep up the good work and I'd love to see you do the same thing with the Raiders transfer!

Thanks! And actually, while I like the new Raiders transfer I did an experiment with some screenshots a while ago and I already have settings ready to convert it to the look of the WOWOW broadcast. We'll see if DJ is interested in doing this as a project in the future.

But let's keep that discussion in the Indiana Jones thread in the off-topic section.

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 Wow lol, how does this stuff go unnoticed at the studios that prepare these blu ray masters?  

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djchaseb said:

 Wow lol, how does this stuff go unnoticed at the studios that prepare these blu ray masters?  

The studios might send their materials to dedicated post-houses rather than doing the post-processing in-house.

Here's the thing: If you spend X dollars on post-production work and the post-house does it wrong, then you still have to spend Y dollars to have them fix it to your specification.

Considering that most studios are giant bureaucracies, then it stands to reason that the extra expenditure of Y dollars usually can't be justified.

Furthermore, I'd bet that untrained eyes are used to evaluate the final product coming out of the post-house in most cases.

JEDIT: ... and untrained eyes are usually impressed with shit like the BttF Trilogy BD release.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

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djchaseb said:

 Wow lol, how does this stuff go unnoticed at the studios that prepare these blu ray masters?  

They notice, they just do not care

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dvdmike said:

They are identical to the Blu as far as changes go, the Blu has the removed reflection also nothing else was changed 

Sorry d_j & You_Too for being off topic, but I just want to be clear regarding this. Trust me dvdmike, I know what I'm talking about. I own that broadcast version myself (which contain the original jeep down the cliff-shot) and the BD. It's true that the BD oddly enough kept one 2003 tweak (reflection removal) but others were restored to their original state, if you don't believe me, compare the 2nd matte shot in the film; see the reflections in the water from the plane in the port for one example. (Would post comparison examples for you if I had access to my PC but I'm on the phone.)

I'm sorry to disappoint you but there was more subtle little tweaks other than the "cobra reflection" in the original DVD transfer that still is present in that stellar broadcast version. As to that CGI cliff-shot that mysteriously appeared in one of the broadcasts, no idea when it was done, Spielberg has said it was a mistake it got out there, maybe South Park had an effect afterall. ;)

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com