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At least they don't travel to time periods they happen to have costumes for repeatedly like Star Trek did to save money.

WAIT...

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adywan said:

Looks like the Doctor Who costume department are becoming very lazy ;)

Good to know something of use came from "The Chronicles of Riddick."

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Escape From Butcher Bay was worth the film existing.

In other news it's a shame about this animated show . I had a similar idea for animating the missing episodes and the Big Finish audios as a sort of Lost Tales Of The Timelord which could keep the fans interest in between series.

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It would have been interesting to see the interaction between the three, but 10 & 11 should have some fun together.

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What a terribly average episode of Doctor Who:

1. Doctor leaves Companion alone on alien planet.

2. Companion gets in trouble.

3. Doctor goes out of his way to save someone, ends up condemning everyone.

4. Doctor tries to sacrifice himself because he's The Doctor.

5. Companion comes to the rescue using some kind of magic that will never be used again.

A lot of dependency on the Screwdriver this episode, I think he's going to lose it sooner rather than later. Maybe he'll get 10's during the 50th.

There is a lot of focus on the companions in Moffat Who. Like the Doctor himself isn't mysterious enough.

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I agree, bad episode. Clara though, fwoar! Those eyebrows drive me crazy.

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doubleofive said:

It would have been interesting to see the interaction between the three, but 10 & 11 should have some fun together.

are they going to have any of the Doctors from the original series? 

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doubleofive said:

It would have been interesting to see the interaction between the three, but 10 & 11 should have some fun together.


are they going to have any of the Doctors from the original series? 
Nope. Just those two, John Hurt, and the lady who played the daughter of the Brigadier earlier this season.

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I didn't imagine they would go too far back. Moffat seems to hate even referencing past seasons, let alone past Doctors, & most of the references to the Classic Who seem to be tongue-in-cheek.

Having all of these old guys show up would only serve to confuse this "next generation." It would probably confuse me, and I don't mind reading wikis to figure out what people are talking about.

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doubleofive said:

I didn't imagine they would go too far back. Moffat seems to hate even referencing past seasons, let alone past Doctors, & most of the references to the Classic Who seem to be tongue-in-cheek.

what about the episodes with Sarah Jane and the one with Jo Grant?  those seem like more than just tongue-in-cheek references. 

doubleofive said:

Having all of these old guys show up would only serve to confuse this "next generation." It would probably confuse me, and I don't mind reading wikis to figure out what people are talking about.

If those old guys would confuse you, you are not a real Whovian.   Also keep in mind, this isn't an anniversary of the new series, this is the 50th anniversary of the beginning of the original series.    

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Warbler said:



doubleofive said:

I didn't imagine they would go too far back. Moffat seems to hate even referencing past seasons, let alone past Doctors, & most of the references to the Classic Who seem to be tongue-in-cheek.


what about the episodes with Sarah Jane and the one with Jo Grant?  those seem like more than just tongue-in-cheek references.
Both of those were RTD, not Moffat.


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Having all of these old guys show up would only serve to confuse this "next generation." It would probably confuse me, and I don't mind reading wikis to figure out what people are talking about.
If those old guys would confuse you, you are not a real Whovian.   Also keep in mind, this isn't an anniversary of the new series, this is the 50th anniversary of the beginning of the original series.
Which I think is my point, Moffat doesn't care about the rest of the series, only the bits he created.

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Moffat has seemed to want to ignore a lot about past Who and put his own mark on it. He seems to be ignoring anything to do with original Who for the 50th  because he doesn't want it to "become a fanfest". But if the whole finale of this season is going to lead up to his real name being revealed because the 50th is going to be the start of a new chapter for Who, it could spell the end for anything to do with past Who. Some of the mysteries need to be kept. We don't need to know his true name or the reason it is such a secret.

And what is it with Moffat's companions? Does he only have one idea for their character? We have Amy, who the doctor meets as a child and turns out out be something of a mystery and becoming the one that saves the day. Now we have clara , who he meets her present day incarnation as a child ( we see this in the prequel before he goes looking for answers and meets her as a younger self) who turns out to be a mystery and comes to the doctors rescue and saves the day. He also never bothers to resolve plot points that he introduces. Why didn't Amy remember the Daleks? Who blew up the TARDIS? How did a robot manage to start to regenerate?

He even seems to have forgotten that the Doctor married River.

We now get these split seasons just so he can concentrate on Sherlock and, if reports are to be believed, we will have a much longer wait for any new Doctor Who in 2014, possibly the Autumn instead of Easter. Audience numbers are dwindling and the way its going, it won't be long before the BBC shelves it once again.

Luckily, in a recent interview, Moffat has said that he is closer to the end of his run on Who as he is to the beginning.

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"This show has been just fine for 50 years, and we rebooted it 8 years ago with rousing sucess. Now that I'm in charge, the people watching seem to be going down. Obviously we have to CHANGE EVERYTHING! (But keep me around, its not my fault)"

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doubleofive said:

 

Warbler said:



doubleofive said:

I didn't imagine they would go too far back. Moffat seems to hate even referencing past seasons, let alone past Doctors, & most of the references to the Classic Who seem to be tongue-in-cheek.


what about the episodes with Sarah Jane and the one with Jo Grant?  those seem like more than just tongue-in-cheek references.
Both of those were RTD, not Moffat.


doubleofive said:

Having all of these old guys show up would only serve to confuse this "next generation." It would probably confuse me, and I don't mind reading wikis to figure out what people are talking about.
If those old guys would confuse you, you are not a real Whovian.   Also keep in mind, this isn't an anniversary of the new series, this is the 50th anniversary of the beginning of the original series.
Which I think is my point, Moffat doesn't care about the rest of the series, only the bits he created.

 

This Moffat sounds like an idiot to me.

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adywan said:

Luckily, in a recent interview, Moffat has said that he is closer to the end of his run on Who as he is to the beginning.

sounds to me like they should just fire him.

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Utterly bored with these new episodes. Not sure what it is, but they are just entirely uninteresting, and not at all what I've come to expect from Doctor Who.

I've never seen any old Doctor Who. My first episode was catching Girl in the Fireplace on Sci-fi channel and thinking it was kind of silly, but also had a really cool and creepy thing going on.

Years later a girl I had recently met told me I needed to watch the show. The only previous thing she recommended to me was American Gods, which is now one of my favorite books, so I decided I'd give Doctor Who a shot. She'd never seen the old ones either, and had me start with Eccleston. I thought it sucked, but occasionally found an episode really intriguing (The Empty Child), and she assured me it got better, so I kept watching. Still not a huge fan, but I do enjoy it. 

Anyway, I've been watching The Doctors Revisited series the BBC has been doing for the 50th, and am kind of enjoying it. If anyone doesn't know what it is, it is a series of short retrospects on previous Doctors followed by a selected story from that time. They are airing one per month, with January being dedicated to the first Doctor, February to the second, and so on. I've only seen the first two so far, but it is kind of cool to see some of the history of the show. I have zero interest in wasting time going back and watching classic Doctor Who, but I have always had a bit of curiosity as to what they were like. This is kind of a nifty, easily accessible way for me to do so without wasting a lot of time on it. And since the current season is absolute crap so far, it is kind of nice to still have something Doctor Who related to look forward to every now and then.

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*takes away CP3S's doctor fan membership card, rips it up, throws in the trash can*

if you've never seen any old Doctor Who, you are not a real Doctor Who fan.

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Warbler said:

*takes away CP3S's doctor fan membership card, rips it up, throws in the trash can*

if you've never seen any old Doctor Who, you are not a real Doctor Who fan.

I'd hesitate to even call myself a fan. It is kind of a fun show, and sometimes I find myself really enjoying it, but ultimately, I could take it or leave it. As for watching the old ones, I've tried, and yes, even Tom Baker. I just found them really silly and very slow moving.

And I can totally understand where you are coming from. I feel that way with Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, and so many other things.

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What are some good Classic Who episodes? I was gonna try and watch the all over time, but the first two 1st Doctor Arcs were horribly boring and slow. I watched the Tom Baker Ark in Space one and liked it, but the following story involving egypt and such was horribly boring. Anyone know of a list that has the best of each Doctor? I really want to get a better idea of Classic Who, but its been so hit or miss.

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valinkrai said:

What are some good Classic Who episodes? I was gonna try and watch the all over time, but the first two 1st Doctor Arcs were horribly boring and slow. I watched the Tom Baker Ark in Space one and liked it, but the following story involving egypt and such was horribly boring. Anyone know of a list that has the best of each Doctor? I really want to get a better idea of Classic Who, but its been so hit or miss.

My favorite episode with William Hartnell as The Doctor is "The Space Museum".

I hope someone finds the Marco Polo serial one day...

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