STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 1079

Ziz said:

I'm no cover artist but here's a quick-n-dirty cut-n-paste of one concept...

It's a reversible cover for a 2 disc case - the kind with one spindle in each cover half.  If you want to display the other version, just flip the case over.

Actually, the simplicity of it works pretty well, as opposed to creating a whole new cover, which would be challenging.

"a big disclaimer" as you put is worthless. Disclaiming something that is illegal in the first place doesn't change anything, its still illegal. 

Relax and stop living in fear is the best advice anyone could give.

Besides, this is Adywan's project, shouldn't it be up to him what and where he puts his "disclaimers" ?

ben_danger said:

Is this totally illegal though? I assumed that owning the source material enabled it to be legal on a viewer to viewer basis?

I'm more concerned for the project's sake than my own. And it is a point raised by Revisited originally.

You know what happens when you assume something don't you?

First, you don't "own" the source material. Just because you purchased the Blu-Ray doesn't mean that YOU own it. LucasFilm or whoever it says in the Copywrite notice is the one that owns it. It is "illegal" to break the encryption on the Blu-Ray and make a copy. It is illegal to distribute said copies...but you know what? I don't care and neither does LucasFilm apparently. So maybe you could just drop it and relax...but of course if some nervous nelly like yourself, who keeps posting about this problem all over the internet might bring undue attention to fan edits and then it would be a problem, wouldn't it?

Yeah, I feel the same way, like the more people talk about it, the more they draw attention to it. I do agree though owning a legal copy of the most recent release (whether it was the source or not) somewhat justifies it morally and that's why I always put a request that people do so in the NFOs, but I always feel uncomfortable discussing it any further.

ANHR had an adequate disclaimer/anti-piracy message on the DVD right at the beginning. I've not heard that Ady's plans for ESBR are any different, so I don't see any need to fuss about it.

Firstly, vbangle, the guy was innocently just trying to cover the edit's ass - no need to give him a big know-it-all response. 

Also, keep in mind that copyright laws differ from country to country. In Canada, for example, when you purchase a product you can do whatever you want to it. Make copies, edit them, w.e. Hell, you could legally do a private screening on your own property with no profit. Showing it publicly is when an issue comes up.

First of all, you can show/distribute it if the work is either meant for educational use or if it is a parody or in satire - you cannot make a profit off of it though.

You are not allowed to have a public screening outside of those two scenarios, nor are you allowed to upload/distribute copies.

Owning the source material - based on Canadian law - would theoretically make it valid. The other individual could technically make the same edit with what they have, and have just as much of a right to the fanedit as do you. Technically speaking, if you purchase the necessary sources for a fanedit, and the faneditor gave you the EDL (edit decision list) you could reconstruct the fanedit - providing you with the actual finished file is just skipping that step. 

The laws regarding this are pretty much the same thing in the States.

So short answer, yes it's legal, as long as you have legally purchased the source material. 

EDIT: Regardless, that wasn't even his question. He is just making a recommendation to put in a disclaimer - which I'm sure he'll probably do.

Sorry, that was mostly a response to vbangle. He came out of left-field with some arrogant (and partially incorrect) reply that had nothing to do with ben's initial question. I honestly just wanted to address it directly as opposed to just replying with a link. :P

Asteroid-Man said:

Firstly, vbangle, the guy was innocently just trying to cover the edit's ass - no need to give him a big know-it-all response. 

Also, keep in mind that copyright laws differ from country to country. In Canada, for example, when you purchase a product you can do whatever you want to it. Make copies, edit them, w.e. Hell, you could legally do a private screening on your own property with no profit. Showing it publicly is when an issue comes up.

First of all, you can show/distribute it if the work is either meant for educational use or if it is a parody or in satire - you cannot make a profit off of it though.

You are not allowed to have a public screening outside of those two scenarios, nor are you allowed to upload/distribute copies.

Owning the source material - based on Canadian law - would theoretically make it valid. The other individual could technically make the same edit with what they have, and have just as much of a right to the fanedit as do you. Technically speaking, if you purchase the necessary sources for a fanedit, and the faneditor gave you the EDL (edit decision list) you could reconstruct the fanedit - providing you with the actual finished file is just skipping that step. 

The laws regarding this are pretty much the same thing in the States.

 

So short answer, yes it's legal, as long as you have legally purchased the source material. 

 

EDIT: Regardless, that wasn't even his question. He is just making a recommendation to put in a disclaimer - which I'm sure he'll probably do.

Canadian law, lol.

vbangle said:

Asteroid-Man said:

Firstly, vbangle, the guy was innocently just trying to cover the edit's ass - no need to give him a big know-it-all response. 

Also, keep in mind that copyright laws differ from country to country. In Canada, for example, when you purchase a product you can do whatever you want to it. Make copies, edit them, w.e. Hell, you could legally do a private screening on your own property with no profit. Showing it publicly is when an issue comes up.

First of all, you can show/distribute it if the work is either meant for educational use or if it is a parody or in satire - you cannot make a profit off of it though.

You are not allowed to have a public screening outside of those two scenarios, nor are you allowed to upload/distribute copies.

Owning the source material - based on Canadian law - would theoretically make it valid. The other individual could technically make the same edit with what they have, and have just as much of a right to the fanedit as do you. Technically speaking, if you purchase the necessary sources for a fanedit, and the faneditor gave you the EDL (edit decision list) you could reconstruct the fanedit - providing you with the actual finished file is just skipping that step. 

The laws regarding this are pretty much the same thing in the States.

 

So short answer, yes it's legal, as long as you have legally purchased the source material. 

 

EDIT: Regardless, that wasn't even his question. He is just making a recommendation to put in a disclaimer - which I'm sure he'll probably do.

Canadian law, lol.

Fine, I'll play your petty little game:
17 U.S.C. § 107

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

1. the nature of the copyrighted work;

1. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

1. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.^[2] 

As you can see, Fan-edits are still completely legal as they are 100% for critic and education.

Remember when he passed the torch onto me? I'm pretty sure that was the first of the ESBR April Fools jokes, so what was that, 4 years ago?

2008: Adywan doesn't want to do it anymore, I take over. (Pictures misssing.

2009: New Wampa revealed.

2010: Ady's computer got fried.

2011: Adywan gets into a fight with mods, gets "banned".

2012: None, actual hard drive failure

2013: None, hard at work.