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I solved the problem... I just finished to capture all the PAL extras, and, as they are bad NTSC conversions, I will not use their video, but only their audio and/or subtitles...

The only problem left is for "From Star Wars to Jedi" PAL... I'm going to capture it right now, then I'll report the conclusions soon.

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Why don't you simply release everything on DVD ? Or even a disc of mkv files ?

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pittrek said:

Why don't you simply release everything on DVD ? Or even a disc of mkv files ?

Because DVD is 5/9GB, while BD is 25/50GB - so, less discs for the same content; DVD uses only MPEG2 while BD could use MPEG2, H.264 and VC1 - so, half space for the same content, or better quality for the same space... also, I released OUT and SET SW:ANH in .m2ts file to be used with AVCHD or BD, and I'd like to make a companion disc(s) for them!

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Here I am... let's say that today was "laserdisc extras capture day - 1"; I finished to capture both PAL and NTSC "From Star Wars to Jedi", and compared them briefly...

The conclusion is: the PAL french version has the advantage of really few and unobstrusive subtitles, while the NTSC has those big japanese subs always present. The bad news are that the video quality of the PAL is worst... bad colors, low brightness, low details, too much grain... it could be improved a bit, of course, but basically the NTSC is a lot better...

And, if only I will decide to use the PAL video, its framerate is not correct... I mean, to try to compare both PAL and NTSC, I had to change the NTSC framerate not to 25fps, but around 24fps!

So, maybe, it should be better to use only the NTSC japanese version, for the following reasons:

  • better overall video quality
  • has perfectly in-sync english soundtrack
  • framerate should be correct
  • using the japanese version, all extras will be NTSC only
  • will match the other three japanese subtitled documentaries

 

Opinions?

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Andrea,

Here is my opinion on the matter ..... if you want to do this and share it when you're done ..... then get cracking ..... LOL.  In the end, it's your project and you will always have some takers and some passers.  It's the nature of it all. Companion discs can be great for projects as it keeps continuity with the set.

Cheers for doing what you're doing .... and remember, have fun with it.

:) 

 

 

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FreaQ said:

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Where did you hear that? As far as I know all players must support all possible formats.

Which could be PAL and/or NTSC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Media_format

I assume the players can handle that, but most of the TVs in NTSC Country would not proper display PAL, which also should be gone since all the TVs are selled worldwide.

Who says I heard it from anyone? I have personal experience with it since my PS3 refuses to play certain content.

Where do you live, FreaQ? In NTSC-land it is well known that we have to avoid 1080i50 when looking for Region Free imports on UK sites.

But if you want a reference, Page "6-7" of Blu-ray Disc Demystified.

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I am from PAL-Land and I had never problems with NTSC :D. Even in DVD times.

I never said you were wrong, but for my understanding Blu-Ray was designed to avoid such crap with different TV systems. But it seems I was wrong since this only applies to PAL regions.

Thanks for teaching me something new.

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Here I am... let's say that today was "laserdisc extras capture day - 1"; I finished to capture both PAL and NTSC "From Star Wars to Jedi", and compared them briefly...

The conclusion is: the PAL french version has the advantage of really few and unobstrusive subtitles, while the NTSC has those big japanese subs always present. The bad news are that the video quality of the PAL is worst... bad colors, low brightness, low details, too much grain... it could be improved a bit, of course, but basically the NTSC is a lot better...

And, if only I will decide to use the PAL video, its framerate is not correct... I mean, to try to compare both PAL and NTSC, I had to change the NTSC framerate not to 25fps, but around 24fps!

So, maybe, it should be better to use only the NTSC japanese version, for the following reasons:

  • better overall video quality
  • has perfectly in-sync english soundtrack
  • framerate should be correct
  • using the japanese version, all extras will be NTSC only
  • will match the other three japanese subtitled documentaries

 

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The framerate is not "incorrect", it's just a differently made NTSC > PAL transfer :-)

Would PAL VHS tapes help you in any way ? I bought the Executor box set only to find out that my VCR doesn't work anymore :-)

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Could you post a screenshot of the japanese documentaries to see how big these burnt-in subs are.

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pittrek said:

The framerate is not "incorrect", it's just a differently made NTSC > PAL transfer :-)

Would PAL VHS tapes help you in any way ? I bought the Executor box set only to find out that my VCR doesn't work anymore :-)

The Executor box set will be a wonderful source to capture! Another member is doing the same, but you know, the more, the better - median is your friend... (^^,)

 

Here you are some screenshots - japanese NTSC on top, french "pyramid" PAL bottom:

(white line on the left is my fault, sorry!)

 

Waiting for your comments!

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The PAL version seems kind of dark and vertically stretched. You can't even see the starfield behind the titles.

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SilverWook said:

The PAL version seems kind of dark and vertically stretched.

it's not vertically stretched... the screenshots are taken from the captures "as is", so the NTSC is 720x480 and the PAL is 720x576... so they "seems" vertically stretched, but they are not... I didn't resize them to show the original quality.

You can't even see the starfield behind the titles.

I don't know if it's because the lower (too low, by the way) black level, or due to the fact they insert the french subtitles...

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Ah, okay. The PAL has more picture info on the left side and bottom.

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SilverWook said:

Ah, okay. The PAL has more picture info on the left side and bottom.

..but less on the right...

What do you think of the video quality of both?

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Japanese looks way better.

I would than also accept the japanese subtitles ;)

 

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Bootleg or official release?

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FreaQ said:

Japanese looks way better.

I would than also accept the japanese subtitles ;)

 

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It says "PROGRAM HAS NON REMOVEABLE JAPANESE SUBTITLES" ....  It's a bootleg ......

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I saw that, but maybe it was an japanese release only.

But I suspected that this would be bootleg. If it was officially available we would not talk here.

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I made two screenshots from RowMans# Ultimate Supplemental Collection.

I did not match the exact frames but I think it gives you a good look.

For the green row at the bottom it is not present in the viewing so I think the Arcsoft Media Center did this while making the screenshot.

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FreaQ, I solved the mystery...

Take a look at this post: "On my discs, Making of SW and SP FX were taken from Rikter's laserdisc captures and Star Wars to Jedi & Classic Creatures were taken from my own official VHS releases."

Here you are! I don't know if there are any other "From Star Wars to Jedi" version on other project than RowMan's, but his one is from VHS... so, it is explained why (apart the obvious green line that clearly is not part of the capture) the picture size is different; the video quality and the color resolution are lower and the details are worst...

Also, are there around other Classic Creatures preservations? EditDroid is taken from the same RowMan's material (VHS)? Or from a laserdisc? And, if from LD, is the last version used (the one with the digital soundtrack) or the old one?

Every day I discover something new (thanks to all of this forum members), and this project seems near its beginning... still, I need someone (or more than one) who would help me with the dialog transcription of the supplemental materials!

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Should I start this project?

It seems there is no interest in it, at the end...

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of course i´m interest.

maybe there are more fans like the supplemental material

from laserdisc in good quality.

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As I wrote before, I will do it for sure, if only someone will transcribe the extra's dialogues in english; I'll then use those transcription for english subtitles, I'll do the italian translation myself, and eventually someone else could use them to do translation in other languages...

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Also, are there around other Classic Creatures preservations? EditDroid is taken from the same RowMan's material (VHS)? Or from a laserdisc? And, if from LD, is the last version used (the one with the digital soundtrack) or the old one?

All of EditDroids documentaries came from laserdisc. I don't know about digital vs. analog audio though. But given the very limited mono source material, I don't see how that would matter much. Some of them, I forget which, had the burned-in Japanese subs. They did replace all of the trilogy movie footage and some of the clips from other movies with cleaner sources though.