Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 341

Harmy said:

Yeah, well, you can see some compression artifacts when you're looking for them but a lot of them are already in the source and the BD really won't be that different. I was actually thinking about lowering the bitrate of the BD encode a bit - not much, it would still be quite a bit higher than the AVCHD but enough to be able to put in more lossless audio tracks and not to have to compromise too much on the bitrate of the extras.

Currently the AVCHD is set to average bitrate of 6500 and max. of 15000 and the settings I used for the v2.0 MKV (and I was going to use for the BD) were avg.15000 and max. 40000, and considering how little difference there is between the v2.0 AVCHD and MKV, I guess going with something like 12000 average and 30000 max could make the encode smaller with very little loss of quality.

Being that we're talking 720p, I don't know if much higher bitrate would benefit the final output much. 30Mbps is about what the source blu ray is encoded at, for reference ;)

edit: ...and that is for 1080p... 30Mbps (max.) should be excellent, and have no issue.

You_Too said:

@animemaakuo: There are references for greyscale and color which are used by the film studios to master the discs. If you really want to see everything exactly the way it was mastered, there's a good guide that I learned from: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457

If you only want a basic setup of your TV, you can buy Digital video essentials and you'll be able to set brightness, contrast and color/saturation correctly.

Then there's always the usual advice: Set color temp to the warmest setting, turn off all dynamic contrast, edge enhancement, noise reduction, sharpness, wide color gamut etc.

I don't understand why TVs even have that crap in the first place if they are better when turned off maybe it's to trick consumers into thinking the tv is better than the competitor 

Just watched this today, and holy crap, it's amazing.  I can't wait for ESB and ROTJ to get the same treatment.

animemaakuo said:

What's the best way for me to calibrate my TV for movies, anime, and what not? I want to be able to put a disc in and watch it the way it was intended.

Surely you can ask all your anime-related questions elsewhere, right?  Like maybe on an anime forum?

TV's Frink said:

animemaakuo said:

What's the best way for me to calibrate my TV for movies, anime, and what not? I want to be able to put a disc in and watch it the way it was intended.

Surely you can ask all your anime-related questions elsewhere, right?  Like maybe on an anime forum?

Couldn't he look on the "How to Calibrate Your TV" threat?

...paging PatMan...

hahahaha

Unless the extras are going to be in HD, I still think a separate extras disc is the way to go, as it means the DVD crowd can watch without conversion along with their DVD conversion of v2.x (just one less thing to convert).

Also means quality can be maximised, compared to having to juggle bitrates of all components to fit on a BD-R.

I wish the studios had gone the separate extras route in all cases.

Harmy said:

What, are you kidding? Of course the extras will be in HD. Some will even be 1080p. And seriously, what do I care about people still using only DVD? Should I make a VHS version too? It's 2013.

Edit: Just to avoid confusion and unnecessary questions, there will be an SD DVD of this but it will be the only SD content I will make.

Well not VHS but definitely laserdisc they have laserdisc burners right?

Yeah, that might be a good idea, in case Harmy decides later to go "George Lucas" on us and start re-specializing the de-specialized edition - then we can make some laserdisc transfers of what it used to be like!

jk  :D

poita said:

animemaakuo said:

What's the best way for me to calibrate my TV for movies, anime, and what not? I want to be able to put a disc in and watch it the way it was intended.

Get a reliable colorimeter and a test disc set like AVIA.

The colormunki is cheap and works great, for something more then the i1 Display Pro is a good choice.

Myself I got a used (but only a month old) i1 Display 2 when I did my calibrations. I think colormunki is more expensive, at least it was back then. So to everyone who wants to do a calibration I'd say see if you can find a used i1 Display 2, as long as it's not a few years old. (After some years colorimeters lose their accuracy)

My take is have it be the best possible picture/sound all around, the movie and extras. File size be damned. If it take me 24 hours to download 15gigs whats another couple of hours to get it in better quality/sound. 

Anyone can get handbrake to "dumb" it down if needed, pull out the extras etc.... Upscaling on the end user side it a completely different story.  

Watched v2.0 on my 100in 1080p projector setup and it was AWESOME.  Can't wait for 2.1/2.5/whatever the bluray release is called  :-)

I think we're all in agreement on 'best' no matter what ;)

Honestly though, the differences between the 2.0 MKV and AVCHD are very, very slight. If Harmy goes with a minimum bitrate that is about twice the AVCHD, and the max is 30Mbps, it's going to be very nice.

At a certain point, I think it's a matter of diminishing returns, especially since it's going to be at 720p. Even the official blu rays are 30Mbps max, and that's at 1080p, so I think we'll be looking at a very, very, very nice encode at what he's thinking (12-30Mbps).

File size difference of the final m2ts would maybe 1GB different, if that, when you're talking about the final encode - it's the 'max' bitrate we're looking at being different, which is not constantly used. If you average the 10Mbps difference across the whole 2hrs., I doubt it's ever peaking to 40Mbps (in 2.0) more often than about 15-20 min. through the whole movie. Even then, the final visual difference will be so minor that I doubt anyone would be able to tell, even on a 100" projector screen ;)

Also, the way this codec works is far more efficient than you might think. Even the "average" being considered is more than twice the average "HD" Netflix stream ;)

Well said, Analog.

You_Too said:

poita said:

animemaakuo said:

What's the best way for me to calibrate my TV for movies, anime, and what not? I want to be able to put a disc in and watch it the way it was intended.

Get a reliable colorimeter and a test disc set like AVIA.

The colormunki is cheap and works great, for something more then the i1 Display Pro is a good choice.

Myself I got a used (but only a month old) i1 Display 2 when I did my calibrations. I think colormunki is more expensive, at least it was back then. So to everyone who wants to do a calibration I'd say see if you can find a used i1 Display 2, as long as it's not a few years old. (After some years colorimeters lose their accuracy)

I appreciate the help and all, but I don't think I want to follow that guide. For one, it's way too long and complicated. Secondly, I don't understand a lot of that stuff so it would be pointless for me to follow. And finally, I'd much prefer some professional do it and teach me instead. 

Calibrating a TV shouldn't be that damn hard. It's rediculous to think that to achieve the DVD's intended picture I have to go through that 100 page guide. No thanks.

Hey, you asked, and the answer just happens to be complex.  But if you just want to get your TV into at least the right ball park, grab a THX certified DVD and see if it has an option in the menu to run the THX optimizer.  It is a far cry from perfect, but it'll get you in the right direction on the cheap.  Also, make sure your TV isn't set to overscan the picture (often a 16:9 mode isn't what you want, everyone calls it something different but look for something along the lines of 1:1, Full, or Just Scan, etc.), and turn off any and all motion compensation.

Memorex said:

jdh2424 said:

My take is have it be the best possible picture/sound all around, the movie and extras. File size be damned. If it take me 24 hours to download 15gigs whats another couple of hours to get it in better quality/sound. 

Anyone can get handbrake to "dumb" it down if needed, pull out the extras etc.... Upscaling on the end user side it a completely different story.  

 

I agree, but the space available on the BD is the catch.

I have always played them via a USB drive on my PS3 or current Bluray player, never gave the media size a second thought.  Either way it's going to be 100 times better than crap the Lucas rolled out.

^ (edit: yoda-sama has some) sound advice. Avsforum.com, or another sub-forum here might be better suited to such questions.

animemaakuo said:

I appreciate the help and all, but I don't think I want to follow that guide. For one, it's way too long and complicated. Secondly, I don't understand a lot of that stuff so it would be pointless for me to follow. And finally, I'd much prefer some professional do it and teach me instead. 

Calibrating a TV shouldn't be that damn hard. It's rediculous to think that to achieve the DVD's intended picture I have to go through that 100 page guide. No thanks.

Yeah, I just wanted to mention the guide since some people (like me... haha) get interested when starting to read it. It mentions a lot of stuff other than the calibration process itself and explains it so I think it's one of the best there is.

But on the other hand I agree with you that it shouldn't be the way it is, that one needs to go through such a guide to get the intended picture. That's why some TV manufacturers have started to include more correct presets in their TVs. I know some of the mid- and high range Panasonic sets have Cinema/THX settings which often produce a result close to a calibration, even out of the box.

Unfortunately, as long as all that dynamic contrast bullshit sells, it will be prioritized over a correct picture.

You_Too said:

animemaakuo said:

I appreciate the help and all, but I don't think I want to follow that guide. For one, it's way too long and complicated. Secondly, I don't understand a lot of that stuff so it would be pointless for me to follow. And finally, I'd much prefer some professional do it and teach me instead. 

Calibrating a TV shouldn't be that damn hard. It's rediculous to think that to achieve the DVD's intended picture I have to go through that 100 page guide. No thanks.

Yeah, I just wanted to mention the guide since some people (like me... haha) get interested when starting to read it. It mentions a lot of stuff other than the calibration process itself and explains it so I think it's one of the best there is.

But on the other hand I agree with you that it shouldn't be the way it is, that one needs to go through such a guide to get the intended picture. That's why some TV manufacturers have started to include more correct presets in their TVs. I know some of the mid- and high range Panasonic sets have Cinema/THX settings which often produce a result close to a calibration, even out of the box.

Unfortunately, as long as all that dynamic contrast bullshit sells, it will be prioritized over a correct picture.

Honestly, I'd love to get a new Panasonic, but the reason I keep my Samsung is because of the "flesh tone" option. I have old animated DVD's that were never remastered (aged film put onto DVD), which, the flesh tone option seems to color correct to where it looks like the proper colors are back (restored for the most part).

It's just that I thought with a proper calibrated TV, that flesh tone option would be even better! 

I also don't think Panasonic has a flesh tone option. =/