Religion — Page 30

CP3S said:

Right now I have an extremely strained relationship with my family. I am fully supportive and accepting of their theism, but they have a really hard time with the fact that I no longer go to church (I've never told them I don't believe in God. All they know is that I don't go to church. If they knew of my unbelief, and of the way I live my life, I'm not sure they would even talk to me anymore). It sucks, it is a major issue to them, and creates a huge rift between us. I feel really bad about this sometimes, but really the issue is them. I'm perfectly fine with them and love them very much. This is one of the many bad things religion does. It creates issues where they shouldn't exist. It is really sad. And why? Because God said so. At least I am real. It makes me really sad my family misses out on being as close to me as they could because of something that I think isn't even real.

fixed. 

I am sorry to here about the rift between you and your family.   All I can say is  if a family member of mine did not go to church and/or did not believe in God, it would not create a rift with me.   I might be sadden and might not approve their decisions, but I would still love them and want the them as members of my family.   I am pretty I do in fact have family members that don't go to church and/or don't believe in God, and there is no rift between me and them.

The Bible says it so either you don't believe the Bible is the literal word of God or you believe I should be stoned to death (but not by you because you are not without sin).

I will just say I do not believe you should be stoned and leave it at that.

What if he wants to be stoned? Dah, even more Christian judgments against lifestyle choices! It is nice to get a little stoned every now and then...

;)

That's the problem though.

If Warb says I shouldn't be stoned (to death or otherwise) but the Bible says I should where does that leave the Bible?

Don't get me wrong I appreciate the non-stoning stance.

And with all due respect to Warb he can only speak for himself, there are plenty of people out there who see the Bible as the gospel truth and what it says goes.

*sigh*

Get that man a potato pancake!

One potato pancake coming up!

To celebrate Palm Sunday I drove to Palm Springs and had fish tacos (because Jesus told the disciples to be fishers of men).

Moses wasn't killed by apes, he launched a suicide nuke which destroyed the world (Apes, mutants, humans, horses).

He didn't have to nuke the world he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for iniquites: the chastisement of our peace was upon him and with his bleeding hands he damned us all to hell.

*sigh*

TV's Frink said:

Get that man a potato pancake!

Bingo, I am sorry, but your persecution complex does not give you a free excuse to mock others' religious beliefs.  In the past I'd just laugh at your sardonic nature and esoteric comments, but at this point it is clear that you simply intend to be mean and offend wherever possible.  I've been mocked and criticized for my beliefs many times, so it's not like I can't take it.  But I really don't appreciate the ongoing level of disrespect towards the man I consider my Savior and your paper thin justification of why you can continue to do so.  I have never mocked you for your sexual orientation.  I have never advocated any mistreatment of homosexuals, and neither has any other Christian here.  While many Christians may believe you do not warrant salvation, many others, myself included, don't think that such is the case.  Have you ever been stoned?  Have I ever advocated anything like that?  Even in my youth when other teens mocked kids for being gay, I never joined in and often befriended them, and I've only become more understanding as I've aged.  You don't have to agree with a thing I say, and obviously the most I can do is put you on ignore, but quite honestly I don't want to read your disrespectful crap again.  I've usually thought of you as the gentleman of the forum, but lately you've come off as little more than the loquacious teenager making fun of people for believing what they do because it's "cool" and gets you attention.  This is a far cry from the Bingowings I had come to respect.

Tuff.

darth_ender said:

Bingo, I am sorry, but your persecution complex does not give you a free excuse to mock others' religious beliefs.  In the past I'd just laugh at your sardonic nature and esoteric comments, but at this point it is clear that you simply intend to be mean and offend wherever possible.  I've been mocked and criticized for my beliefs many times, so it's not like I can't take it.  But I really don't appreciate the ongoing level of disrespect towards the man I consider my Savior and your paper thin justification of why you can continue to do so.  I have never mocked you for your sexual orientation.  I have never advocated any mistreatment of homosexuals, and neither has any other Christian here.  While many Christians may believe you do not warrant salvation, many others, myself included, don't think that such is the case.  Have you ever been stoned?  Have I ever advocated anything like that?  Even in my youth when other teens mocked kids for being gay, I never joined in and often befriended them, and I've only become more understanding as I've aged.  You don't have to agree with a thing I say, and obviously the most I can do is put you on ignore, but quite honestly I don't want to read your disrespectful crap again.  I've usually thought of you as the gentleman of the forum, but lately you've come off as little more than the loquacious teenager making fun of people for believing what they do because it's "cool" and gets you attention.  This is a far cry from the Bingowings I had come to respect.

quoted for truth.

Bingowings said:

Tuff.

typical.

Bingowings said:

Tuff.

Good boy.  I'm sure you're proud of yourself.  You've earned the right to be a bigot by dealing with whatever hardship you have.  You've earned the right to define everyone else's belief system and paint them all with a broad brush.  I thought that respect was important to you, and that when someone kindly asked someone else to stop doing something you found offensive, you hoped that such mutual respect would yield results.  It saddens me to see this side of you.

Persecution complexes are born out of hysteria, believing in conspiracies that demonstrably don't exist.

I have experienced bricks thrown at me I have experienced my own mother not wanting to go the hospital to see her dying son because she is afraid that her work mates will find out her son is gay.

When you fine upstanding people have mockeries of Christ like this :

thrown in your direction month after month for four decades you will earn the entitlement to call me out on having a persecution complex.

There are economic points to be made about Fascism and I'd be prepared to listen to them. But for obvious reasons I would be uncomfortable hanging with a devotee of Hitler.

You and Warb sound like nice guys but you walk around with a book a vile as Mein Kampf that has been used as the justification for evil above and beyond any attitude you may have about a man putting his penis in another consenting man.

And somehow you feel confused and upset when I poke fun at your pantomime.

I am just poking fun at it.

I'm not throwing bricks at it.

I'm not hanging you for it.

I didn't start this conversation or the thread about Mormonism.

If you now don't like what I have to say put me on ignore but really on ignore not the peekaboo nonsense that Warb plays with.

I made some very serious points about religion reforming by reforming scripture but If I come across as lacking in respect for your beliefs maybe it's because they have a lack of respect for me and they are older so they should know better right?

You forget, Bingo, I wasn't even talking to you initially.  I understand that many have hurt or killed homosexuals in the name of God and with a Bible in their hands.  People have done awful things in the name of God.  I don't justify what they did.  But people have done awful things in the name of just about anything, even seemingly worthy causes, I'm afraid.  I've been threatened with my life as a Mormon missionary by a Protestant.  I know I sustained no injury so it's not a perfect comparison, but I certainly don't condemn all Protestants.  In fact, I love them.  I love them dearly and feel so many of them taught me a great deal.  I didn't presume that because some interpreted the Good Book in a particular light that all of them felt it necessary to threaten to kill me.  I've offered many reasons why I don't accept those verses and yet believe in the Bible.

By the way, to make a more effective pictorial comparison (so we know just how evil each of us Christians is), you might want to show a hanging from some Bible-thumpin' hicks rather than Muslims.  You forget that the very values you place on life and liberty stem from Judeo-Christian values, only modified to suit a more modern setting.  Most Christians are very tolerant.

I truly am sorry to hear about what has happened to you.  I hope you live a long and happy life free of harassment from evil men.  But what you're doing is not what you earlier called "not too much justice."  You are not making anything better with anyone.  I hope one day I can meet you in person and show you how genuine I am about holding no malice towards you.  I hope by that point you'll feel the same about me, regardless of my belief in the Bible.

Bingowings said:

Persecution complexes are born out of hysteria, believing in conspiracies that demonstrably don't exist.

I have experienced bricks thrown at me I have experienced my own mother not wanting to go the hospital to see her dying son because she is afraid that her work mates will find out her son is gay.

none of which we ourselves are responsible for. 

Bingowings said:

 but you walk around with a book a vile as Mein Kampf

you should be banned for this.

Bingowings said:

that has been used as the justification for evil above and beyond any attitude you may have about a man putting his penis in another consenting man.

the people that did that must have overlooked a lot of stuff.   

Bingowings said:

And somehow you feel confused and upset when I poke fun at your pantomime.

yeah, imagine us getting upset when you make fun of something we hold sacred.   what a shock. 

Bingowings said:

I am just poking fun at it.

I'm not throwing bricks at it.

I'm not hanging you for it.

I am not throwing bricks at you

I am not hanging you

and I am not even poking fun at you

Bingowings said:

If you now don't like what I have to say put me on ignore but really on ignore not the peekaboo nonsense that Warb plays with.

well now it is for real, and permanent.   Goodbye. 

If you believe the Bible to be sacred you are throwing bricks at me, you are hanging me, you are breaking up families because that is the seed of that pain.

Not just for me but for my fellow men and women and kindred creatures.

And they are what I hold sacred.

Not ancient fairy tales.