A quick interjection (breaking my vow of silence momentarily) to point out that this thread is not about proving any particular religion or simply a belief in God at all to be true or false. I don't wan this to continue as an argument about the validity of one's faith or another's atheism. I cannot prove an atheist is wrong (which I assure you was never my intent a few pages back), and an atheist cannot prove that God does not exist or that a person has not experienced a very personal experience. One's loss of faith in spite of previous spiritual experience does not equate its falsity in another. And just because 7 billion people have reached slightly to dramatically different conclusions from one another on one topic or another does not mean that all views (but the purely scientific) are false or close to it.

This thread was started to promote understanding, not alienation. What I hope to read about are things like the discussion on birth control, a perfectly valid discussion. Or perhaps we could hear more about why someone does not believe: that's very interesting and worthy of discussion. What I do not want to read about is why I shouldn't believe, or why someone else shouldn't believe. And what I want to hear least about are sarcastic comments about a someone else's spiritual experiences and how they falsely equate to Star Wars folklore. I sorta consider that in bad taste.