darth_ender said:

Oh, CP3S, don't be a party pooper ;) Quite honestly I've enjoyed this discussion and have found it very interesting. I'm saddens me you haven't gotten the same pleasure.

Don't get me wrong, I got pleasure from it too. But I feel like Leo made a claim, and I defended his use of the word "know", and it has kind of got us stuck in that rut ever since. There is really nothing else to say on that subject. Leo made his point, I made mine. I'm perfectly happy to go on with the discussion, I'll just wait until we move past the "know" thing and jump back in.