Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - uncensored HDTV airing(s) (Released) — Page 2

I downloaded several other rips to my seedbox to test quickly... and then it stopped responding to RDP requests. So that isn't happening too soon.

One is a WEB-DL.

reave said:

Has anyone checked this version on usenet: [Deleted]

That was posted 4 days ago and it's the bluray that will be released in two weeks.  (leaked of course)  From what others said it will probably be censored like the DVD and although it has the best PQ by far of any release it's not what people in this thread are looking for.

Who.Framed.Roger.Rabbit.1988.1080p.WEB-DL.DD5.1.h264-iDLE - middle finger removed

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I don't know the timecode for Betty Boob nips.

Bluray - middle finger removed

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Moth3r said:

Now this is interesting - I just checked the old FLAiR laserdisc rip, and while it has Baby Herman's extended finger, it doesn't have Betty's Boobs.

I can confirm this with my full-frame LD as well.

Rather than trying to do any repainting, they simply did a video edit cutting that frame and replacing it with a single-field pause of the previous frame. The pulldown pattern breaks, but resumes at the next shot.

No wonder I couldn't find that frame when I was looking for the timecode earlier.

I would love to use the upcoming Blu-Ray along with the various HDTV rips to create an uncensored version of the film.  I have a rip of the original issue Laserdisc with the mostly uncensored version of the film, which I've compared to the later censored versions in the past.  There are two obvious changes and several other minor changes that I recall.

The obvious changes were Baby Herman's middle finger and Jessica Rabbits panty shot. I'm not sure if the Betty Boop nip slip was censored out on the LD or if the video just wasn't high enough definition for it to actually be visible, but I never saw that one.

There were a number of smaller changes as well.  A lot of the scenes with Jessica Rabbit had part of her dress reworked so that it hid more of her legs and I think there were some other smaller elements that were altered or removed.  Even the two DVD versions had different spots altered. Maybe someone could go and catalog all of the changes that were made.

Does anyone know if the Blu-Ray is supposed to have the deleted "pig head" scene included in HD?  One of the DVDs had it in SD format but it wasn't a very clean transfer from what I saw.

Doctor M: I haven't had a chance to compare the laserdisc version with the french HDTV version.  If I can acquire a copy of the HDTV version I will try to find time to make a few comparisons.

According to the Home Theater Forum review, it's in SD, as are all the extras except for the shorts.

The scene was actually reinstated for the tv broadcast premiere in the late 80's, so maybe it's sourced from an old video master?

I kind of figured that would happen but one can always hope.  I knew about the TV version using the scene but I thought it might be nice to have a version that could potentially be used to make an extended cut.

I got the french version and checked a few of the known alterations in the later releases.

The Baby Herman middle finger is there.

The Betty Boop nip-slip is there.  This is the only version I've seen that has this.

There are a few frames during Jessica Rabbit's musical number where the slit in her dress looks like it might be a little more revealing (even though you don't really see anything).  There are rumors that the theatrical version had a frame somewhere that shows her panties/vagina but every story claims it's in a different spot and there's not solid evidence.

The scene with Baby Herman smoking in the baby carriage appears to be unaltered.  There are some reports that the scene was altered but I haven't found any proof.

The scene with the writing on the bathroom wall matches all the other versions I've seen.  I've yet to find any proof that the phone number was ever actually there.  One version of the story claims that the number was in place throughout the scene and people were calling Michael Eisner's home number because of it.  Other versions of the story claim it was only there for one frame or that it was Jeffrey Katzenberger's number instead.  Another version of the rumor claims that people didn't find it until after the laserdisc was released but I remember hearing people claim the phone number was there before the movie was actually released on home video.

The scene with Jessica Rabbit's panty-shot is unaltered.

There are various dubious reports of different clips that were edited out, but solid proof has never been offered.

I haven't done a frame-by-frame comparison yet, so there may be other differences.  The blu-ray version uses the same transfer as the Vista Series DVD, so it will have the same alterations.

Edited the correct and update some information.

Thanks for the Boop detective work, guys! I've been saying for years there was no evidence that this ever existed, and now you've found it!

You (or those reporting it) might've been misled by the fact that the scene was altered during a later stage of editing the film....before release. When Sotheby's auctioned off a bunch of cels from the film, one of them showed Baby Herman inserting a bill or two into his assistant's cleavage (remember, he was sending her off to bet on a horse for him). In the final film, this shot is replaced by a closeup of Eddie.

There were a few late changes like this, toning down some of the adult elements. ADR of Wise Ass saying "bull schtick" instead of the other word, and Maroon telling Eddie he has a lot of "brass" instead of balls.

...but, again, these were pre-release "changes", if that is even the right word.

Treadwell said:

You (or those reporting it) might've been misled by the fact that the scene was altered during a later stage of editing the film....before release. When Sotheby's auctioned off a bunch of cels from the film, one of them showed Baby Herman inserting a bill or two into his assistant's cleavage (remember, he was sending her off to bet on a horse for him). In the final film, this shot is replaced by a closeup of Eddie.

There were a few late changes like this, toning down some of the adult elements. ADR of Wise Ass saying "bull schtick" instead of the other word, and Maroon telling Eddie he has a lot of "brass" instead of balls.

...but, again, these were pre-release "changes", if that is even the right word.

That would make sense.  I remembered reading that something was changed in that scene but couldn't remember what it was or why and none of the video versions appear to be any different.

This is another one of those movies where it's hard to separate fact from fiction on a lot of the supposed changes.  There are a lot of unsubstantiated rumors as well as a few edits made to the TV version that have been listed as edits to the home version, instead.

edit: I was able to acquire the German HDTV rip and it's the censored version.

Just out of curiosity, what is the channel that aired the censored German HDTV version? Since Movie-Censorship shows an uncensored German SD airing.

I don't know what channel showed the German HDTV version. I don't see any watermarks or logos to identify the channel.  It was probably a subscriber service.  It's possible they used a Non-German HDTV rip and just synched the German dub to it since the opening and titles and closing credits are in English with no German subtitles but I haven't seen another 1080p HDTV source other than the French version and the video for the German version is obviously different from the French version.

Awesome find on the Starlog article, SilverWook.  I wonder if they actually completed the footage of Baby Herman stuffing the bills in the girl's bra or if it was just a completed frame from a partially completed version of the scene.

edit: I think an ear-less Oswald the Rabbit can be seen walking out of the Maroon Cartoon studios during the scene when Eddie Valiant is leaving to catch a trolley.  It looks like the ears were removed prior to the theatrical release, though.

edit#2: The German HDTV rip appears to have a lot more DNR than the french version or the full-resolution screencaps I've found of the blu-ray. The blu-ray seems to have a lot of grain.

I'm not sure why the character was altered, to be honest.  Maybe they didn't want it to actually be Oswald, or maybe it's actually some other obscure character that happens to look like an ear-less Oswald.  He also has yellow pants instead of the blue pants that are associated with Oswald.

The French version is basically the same aspect ratio as the HDTV and Blu-Ray versions but it has more information cropped off the edges  and the color is different. The uncensored frames could be extracted, sized down, and used to create an overlay or underlay to remove the censorship but the color would need to be corrected.  I seem to recall something about a script that would do color matching.  Does anyone have a link to it?