SpilkaBilka said:
Harmy said:
Well, if someone can upload it for me somewhere, I'll be happy to include it.
I'm currently downloading the files for the 1985 home stereo mix from the Star Wars Laser Disc Audio Archive torrent on the spleen.
If they're just raw captures from a post-85 but pre-93 laserdisc, they would not be GOUT-synched.
If you're wanting to stitch audio together and adjust things as well, you could try Audacity, it is free and open source and works on Windows as well as Linux. I use it for all my Rifftrax projects.
SpilkaBilka said:
Harmy said:
Well, if someone can upload it for me somewhere, I'll be happy to include it.
I'm currently downloading the files for the 1985 home stereo mix from the Star Wars Laser Disc Audio Archive torrent on the spleen. Should be done in about 10 hours.
The mix is split into multiple files (from the multiple laserdisc sides). Would these files be useful at all to you, Harmy? I hate to ask you to do more work, but I don't have the slightest idea how to stitch these files together, much less GOUT-sync them.
If you could leave that seeding it would help greatly. Speed is quite slow.
I'm perfectly happy with the lossless tracks that'll be included (I wonder if it's from this source), but can see the value in having this '85 one in there for good measure.
If I can get this downloaded somehow, I'd be glad to attempt a sync.
As of now, I only have hairy_hen's 5.1 in DTS HD. I thought I had the monomix in PCM wav somewhere but can't find it. I don't care for audio all that much and lossless makes no difference to me, so if you audio buffs want lossless audio, you'll have to provide it GOUT synced and ready to be muxed in. Someone told me that DTS HD MA 2.0 would be smaller than PCM, so I'd prefer them in that format.
Harmy said:
As of now, I only have hairy_hen's 5.1 in DTS HD. I thought I had the monomix in PCM wav somewhere but can't find it. I don't care for audio all that much and lossless makes no difference to me, so if you audio buffs want lossless audio, you'll have to provide it GOUT synced and ready to be muxed in. Someone told me that DTS HD MA 2.0 would be smaller than PCM, so I'd prefer them in that format.
I can send you the lossless monomix PCM WAV if you'd like, Harmy.
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analog said:
If you could leave that seeding it would help greatly. Speed is quite slow.
I'm perfectly happy with the lossless tracks that'll be included (I wonder if it's from this source), but can see the value in having this '85 one in there for good measure.If I can get this downloaded somehow, I'd be glad to attempt a sync.
That would be great if you could give it a shot, thanks! I'll see what I can do too (thanks yoda-sama for recommending Audacity). It will be a learning experience. :) I just finished downloading and I will continue to seed.
I'm also downloading the EditDroid version of ANH from myspleen, which as Treadwell mentioned, contains the 1985 mix, and is apparently GOUT-sync'd. I was thinking it might be easier to just extract the audio from this (though I don't know how to do that either! If anyone knows how, please let me know). I'll keep seeding when it's done in a few hours.
I too am totally happy with the audio tracks that are going to be included- but I'm also a sucker for completeness, and I think it would be awesome to be able to watch SW, and with just the press of a button, be able to switch between all 5 audio mixes that were made for the film (1977 5.1, 1977 stereo, 1977 mono, 1985 home, 1993 home). But I can be OCD with that stuff, so...
If anyone else has some know-how and is interested in helping get the 1985 mix GOUT-sync'd and ready, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!
Ahhh, I see... DTS HD... My memory had "lossless" instead of that.
Theoretically, it could be lossless already in this format, but it's impossible to tell without full details of the file(s).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS_%28sound_system%29#DTS-HD_High_Resolution_Audio
For those of us with a PS3 as blu ray player, this is also some good reading:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/21/hd-101-how-to-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd-with-your-ps3/
Either way, I think that's a plenty good format! Not really sure there's any benefit to messing with "better" than this, esp. keeping it at ~25GB. Any more, and it might be too much to fit nicely on a single layer disc. ...perhaps it'd be best saved for version 2.5/3.0/??
TBH, I don't even have a receiver to do this stuff, but it's "nice to know"
There's an old saying. "If I were a betting man" ....I would bet that this DTS HD file is already lossless.
As for lossless mono, I'm personally a little "meh" on it. Cool stuff that there can be so many good choices on one shiny little disc :)
SpilkaBilka said:
analog said:
If you could leave that seeding it would help greatly. Speed is quite slow.
I'm perfectly happy with the lossless tracks that'll be included (I wonder if it's from this source), but can see the value in having this '85 one in there for good measure.If I can get this downloaded somehow, I'd be glad to attempt a sync.
That would be great if you could give it a shot, thanks! I'll see what I can do too (thanks yoda-sama for recommending Audacity). It will be a learning experience. :) I just finished downloading and I will continue to seed.
I'm also downloading the EditDroid version of ANH from myspleen, which as Treadwell mentioned, contains the 1985 mix, and is apparently GOUT-sync'd. I was thinking it might be easier to just extract the audio from this (though I don't know how to do that either! If anyone knows how, please let me know). I'll keep seeding when it's done in a few hours.
I too am totally happy with the audio tracks that are going to be included- but I'm also a sucker for completeness, and I think it would be awesome to be able to watch SW, and with just the press of a button, be able to switch between all 5 audio mixes that were made for the film (1977 5.1, 1977 stereo, 1977 mono, 1985 home, 1993 home). But I can be OCD with that stuff, so...
If anyone else has some know-how and is interested in helping get the 1985 mix GOUT-sync'd and ready, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!
Cool, thanks :) ....whopping 1.2Kbps download speeds right now. Hopefully that ticks up later tonight.
As for editing audio, it's always a learning experience. If you know nothing going in, it's just going to take a little longer to learn as you go, and there are plenty of good resources on the internet to assist with that.
Hmm. If it already exists, and is synched, I'd say it might be easier to yank it off of that instead of synching the whole thing again from another source, but you risk potentially re-encoding a lossy format, which potentially makes it "worse" (like copying a copy of a photocopy).
This is one of the simplest free programs I've seen to rip .wav tracks straight from a dvd... http://www.aoamedia.com/DVD-to-WAV.htm
From there, you'd encode to something consistent with the rest of what Harmy is already using - which looks to be something like a basic 192 or 256Kbps AC3. Doubtful that the DVD is using anything higher than 224Kbps, but I could be wrong. Be sure to use 48Khz sample rate. ...if all that's too much, I'll still give it a shot ;)
Oh, yeah, the DTS HD file of hairy_hen's mix should definitely be lossless, what I meant was that if you guys want me to include the other mixes in lossless I'd be happy to as long as they're served on a silver platter.
I actually found out that I have Belbucus' mono mix restoration in lossless flac. But I don't know what to do with it - I doubt it can be used as is, plus it probably isn't GOUT synced (though it only needs a slight time-shift if it isn't). I could convert it to wav in Audacity but a wav file will be like 1GB, whereas the flac file is only 300MB, so converting to wav seems like a waste of space - isn't there any BD compatible lossless format that would give a similar size as the flac?
Harmy said:
Oh, yeah, it should be lossless, what I meant was that if you guys want me to include the other mixes in lossless I'd be happy to as long as they're served on a silver platter.
I actually found out that I have Belbucus' mono mix restoration in lossless flac. But I don't know what to do with it - I doubt it can be used as is, plus it probably isn't GOUT synced (though it only needs a slight time-shift if it isn't). I could convert it to wav in Audacity but a wav file will be like 1GB, whereas the flac file is only 300MB, so converting to wav seems like a waste of space - isn't there any BD compatible lossless format that would give a similar size as the flac?
Isn't Dolby TrueHD lossless?
Also, you don't need Audacity to do FLAC->WAV. All you need to do is "flac -d myfile.flac". Look here for other command-line options.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
I guess Dolby TrueHD should be lossless. I do not know how that information helps me.
I already have Audacity and I don't know what language you're speaking in the rest of the post but it sure ain't one I know ;-)
Harmy said:
I guess Dolby TrueHD should be lossless. I do not know how that information helps me.
I was responding to:
Harmy said:
isn't there any BD compatible lossless format that would give a similar size as the flac?
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
Oh, sorry, I see now :-) I'll need more than that though - will it give me a similar size? What do I do to convert to this format? Or even better who'll convert, sync and upload it for me? :-D
AntcuFaalb said: Isn't Dolby TrueHD lossless?
It is, but good luck finding an affordable encoder. If the audio tracks have to be lossless, the choices, as I see it, are DTS-HD MA or PCM. (I think that all that is needed is for the mono and stereo tracks to be encoded with AC-3 at bitrates so high that they are for all intents and purposes lossless, but no doubt some will disagree.)
DTS-HD MA and PCM are the best options available that are compatible with Blu-ray which will not introduce additional loss to the material. Which is the real point of "lossless" as far as all of our sources go, since we have no master-like quality available to us. As far as turning your flac mono into something useful, if not DTS-HD MA or PCM, then a good bitrate DTS or DD should be acceptable, as long as you try not to choke it too much on bitrate.
One question I have is (if a link to some other discussion is enough to explain, that'd be fine), what does this '85 home mix offer in comparison to the '93 and non-mono '77? (Okay, I also am not sure what it is '93 [definitive LD sourced, I'm sure] has that's different or desirable either.)
yoda-sama said:
One question I have is (if a link to some other discussion is enough to explain, that'd be fine), what does this '85 home mix offer in comparison to the '93 and non-mono '77? (Okay, I also am not sure what it is '93 [definitive LD sourced, I'm sure] has that's different or desirable either.)
IIRC, '85 is basically the first stereo track that merges back in the mono mix lines like Threepio's tractor beam line. The '93 one does this too but (among other things) it adds a bunch of sound effects that weren't ever in any of the original audio mixes. So '85 is desirable because, while not technically an original track, it could be considered a merged form of the original '77 tracks. Also people remember it from home video releases and like it from there.
My advice is avoid Dolby TrueHD. DTS-HD has a plain DTS core inside it, and allows it to play on older equipment, while TrueHD isn't much use to anyone without HDMI capable surround equipment, because you'll have to include a seperate Dolby Digital file. To be honest though, a full bitrate DTS file is more than adequate in almost all situations. And with the number of different audio options you usually provide, full bitrate lossy DTS will provide enough space for all of those options. I would suggest that you provide YOUR preferred option in a 640kbps Dolby Digital option, so that people with even older, non DTS capable equipment also get the best out of their system.
For anybody who has not yet made the jump to an HDTV yet - Get yourself a bluray player anyway. It is amazing the image quality difference, even watching Bluray content in standard definition. The extra color information alone provides a much more vivid viewing experience. And Harmy's edits deserve to be shown in the best setup you can possibly show it in :)
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Thanks for the concise explanation. I'd say the '85 is something I could get behind including for completion and nostalgia's sake, even though I'd probably stick to the 5.1 mix for the majority of viewings.
I agree with much of that, but if he already has hairy_hen's 5.1 in DTS-HD, then there is no reason to change that to DD 640k (and introducing even more loss in the reencoding process as well) since, as you said, it includes a core DTS file for backwards compatibility. I can't think of any time in the last decade I've been unable to playback DTS on anything; but even if there's a hardware limitation due to a very, very old receiver or the like, software playback is an option to take care of it and pass on something usable. Anyone who can't play DTS has (correctable) issues beyond what they should bug Harmy with.
(what I've learned today: BD is not stuck at DVD's DD bitrate limit of 448kbps, but instead tops out at 640kbps)
Finally got that clip to download. The new Dewback looks fantastic. It's hilarious how they shook the Jerba to make it look more lifelike. =P
OK, so I guess I'm just gonna use the DTS MA of h_h's 5.1 I already have and keep all the rest of the audio tracks the way they were on the v2.0 MKV. Except I'll add the commentaries - I recut both of the commentaries from the BD to be in sync with the DeEd (and therefore any GOUT-synced project as well).
Oh wow, I didn't expect commentary. Looking forward to that, thanks!
OK, the last thing to do before I can render the AVCHD is the v2.1 credits. I'm really trying not to leave anyone out but it's pretty hard. I'd like to include the person who sent me some blank discs a few months ago but I'm ashamed to admit that I can't recall who that was, so if that person could please shoot me a PM, I'd be very happy. Also if any of the people who were in the v2.0 credits (or Belbucus, b0bafett, Adywan or Negative1, whom I'll also be adding to the v2.1 credits) would like to be credited under a different name, please PM me as well.
If there's anyone I'm forgetting, please don't be ashamed to PM me also, even the smallest contribution counts and I'd really like to give credit where it is due.
Hello - Long-time lurker and fan of Harmy's work. I'm sorry if this has been asked, but I didn't see it elsewhere:
It seems there are two versions of SW Despecialized on various torrent sites, one at 6.75 GB and one at 15.75 GB. Can someone please explain this discrepancy? Thanks.
You're probably seeing the old V1 DVD-9 sized AVCHD and the V2.0 MKV, both of which you can disregard quickly as V2.1 is about to come out *fingers crossed*.
(Also, your question is probably covered in the very first post of this thread)