The OOT really is culturally important and should absolutely be preserved, but I wish every movie's original version was available to legally purchase and publicly view. At least the SE is blatantly a different version that all but the most ignorant know is a revision. Meanwhile, other movies are getting wires and reflections erased and getting passed off as the original version.
One presumes that if you have FTL travel you have access to the resources of entire stellar systems.
Some stars when they go nova leave behind a planet sized core of pure iron.
You can build a whole Imperial Starfleet from just one of them and still have enough left for a few battlestations.
Once we achieve interstellar travel, we can just go back in time and stop Lucas from ever making the Special Editions. We all know that black holes are time portals, after all.
Fang Zei said:
At least the SE is blatantly a different version that all but the most ignorant know is a revision.
I'm not so sure. There's absolutely nothing on the packaging that says it's the Special Editions.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Fang Zei said:
At least the SE is blatantly a different version that all but the most ignorant know is a revision. Meanwhile, other movies are getting wires and reflections erased and getting passed off as the original version.
Not if you talk to the younger fans who grew up with the SE's and have never seen the OT. Some of them only know of the originals as being basically "rough cuts" with "missing scenes". And yes I have actually seen that exact quote recently on a message board.
“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas
Cobra Kai said:
Some of them only know of the originals as being basically "rough cuts" with "missing scenes". And yes I have actually seen that exact quote recently on a message board.
This is rather troubling.
I am quite optimistic that properly restored originals will see the light of day, but likely not until after Episode 9 is out at best.
Meanwhile, so much damage has been done that it'll be interesting to see how the younger generation reacts to having the originals back on the scene in good quality.
Cobra Kai said:
Not if you talk to the younger fans who grew up with the SE's and have never seen the OT. Some of them only know of the originals as being basically "rough cuts" with "missing scenes". And yes I have actually seen that exact quote recently on a message board.
That's a tricky issue. If not for technical difficulties and/or lack of time/money, wouldn't a character called Jabba have been in "Star Wars"? Wouldn't there have been more Wampa action in ESB? And wouldn't there have been a sandstorm scene in ROTJ? or B-Wings?
So, the "artist" was limited by problems. I can see the rough cut perspective.
LFL needs to learn that the money comes from the parents of the children rather than the children themselves.
Parents need to learn that purchasing junk (including, but not limited to, the SEs) from LFL is not a required tax on all citizens of the world.
Problem solved!
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Except... not really.
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timdiggerm said:
So, the "artist" was limited by problems. I can see the rough cut perspective.
No he wasn't. If you'd have asked George back then what he thought of people people who make changes to classic films, even so much as colorizing black & white films, he'd have said that such films are a part of our cultural heritage and should be allowed to remain as they originally were seen.
In fact, he did say this back then, because someone did ask him about it.
Just because he was the copyright holder, it doesn't make him any less of a retard for forgetting what his original vision even was.
His original vision wasn't to have Vader yell "No" during the climax of ROTJ, or else to make Greedo the worst shot in the universe. So I will never watch those changes again as long as I live, if I can avoid it.
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And anyway, the real problem isn't the changes--it's the fact that he so hates fans of Star Wars that the only way he would release the OOT was in a degraded letterboxed format.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
chyron8472 said:
In fact, he did say this back then, because someone did ask him about it.
Not really. He said that five years after the release of ROTJ.
(I'm sorry for nitpicking!)
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
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Yes, but that would still mean that when he said it was 25 years ago, and 9 years before the SE's came out.
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...only 9 years. Okay, that makes him even more of a retard.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
chyron8472 said:
Yes, but that would still mean that when he said it was 25 years ago, and 9 years before the SE's came out.
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...only 9 years. Okay, that makes him even more of a retard.
Agreed.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
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timdiggerm And wouldn't there have been a sandstorm scene in ROTJ? or B-Wings?
So, the "artist" was limited by problems. I can see the rough cut perspective.
Only if every movie ever is now just a rough cut.
timdiggerm said:
That's a tricky issue. If not for technical difficulties and/or lack of time/money, wouldn't a character called Jabba have been in "Star Wars"?
Sure, but if Jabba had been in Star Wars, there would have been no need to come up with the "Plan B" Greedo scene to communicate the same information. It's a cascading effect of would-have could-haves. And it's part of why the SE's are so bad, because they do not stem from a consistent editing perspective, and you end up with both Jabba and Greedo, when that result certainly would never have happened in 1977. If Jabba had happened in '77, Greedo quite simply would not have.
The fact is, at some point, George Lucas signed off on the 1977 version. If he didn't think the Greedo scene was an adequate replacement for the Jabba scene he originally envisioned, he could have decided not to sign off on it. Obviously he did sign off on it, so it wasn't a "rough cut" to him either.
The Jabba and Greedo scenes were both in the script, there never was a Plan B scenario. Both made it into the Marvel comics adaptation, which was in the can before anyone saw the finished film.
The whole reason for the original human Jabba being cut has been murky since 1983, when that pesky storyboard of uncertain vintage appeared in the Making of a Saga documentary.
Where were you in '77?
Wow, mea culpa on the details, but I think my overall point is still valid--there are certainly creative decisions that were made because of the limitations of the time, so that simply adding in deleted scenes that couldn't be done before cannot possibly re-create the "original vision" sans limitations.
But wow, really? Both? Another testament to good editing in the original, I suppose! Jeeze.
To be fair to the whole Jabba/Greedo scene in Star Wars thing. The Greedo scene was finished by taking dialogue from the Jabba deleted scene. Consequently had the Jabba deleted scene remained in the film the content of the Greedo scene would be different. So less repetitive information.
That said it makes the whole SE addition of the Jabba deleted scene all the more frustrating. We could've at least seen the deleted content of the Greedo scene restored and really had an interesting different take... But no instead of that, alter some still photo in some rudimentary software to add a laser blast.
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Yet, the dialog plays out essentially the same in Star Wars #2. All the Marvel guys had was the script, some still photos and concept art.
Where were you in '77?
I like how Greedo is blasted before he can even finish his sentence. Clearly, he was always intended to shoot first but the precise technology controlling what we now call "pencils" didn't exist yet to draw it that way.
Black-haired Han Solo. God bless Marvel Comics.
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
Amen brother! ;)
Dark Horse had the gall to recolor these for their 90's reprints. The color scheme was drab beyond belief.
Where were you in '77?
Oh I'd like to see that. I have volume 1 of their omnibus somewhere...
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
I don't know if the omnibus has the same coloring. Been meaning to get those as I'm afraid to handle my old Marvels too much these days.
Where were you in '77?
They're on really high-quality paper and it, indeed, has black-haired Han Solo. That's about all I can say.
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
I presume they don't have the vintage ads and the letters page? Fan reactions back then were pretty interesting. ;)
Where were you in '77?