Apocalypse Now - Workprint (now available) (Released) — Page 6

No worries. I'm glad you were able to finish getting it.

I'm in contact with someone who may be able to provide me a copy of the SubCin version. If that pans out I'll let you know and I'll send a copy along.

Make that four people who're interested!  It would be interesting to see this workprint copy after having only seen the theatrical version.

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I've 'acquired' this new MP4 bootleg. Doesn't appear to be any better quality than the other versions available out there on the interweb.

So where can one find the MP4 4gb variant?

erm, the usual sources that were not supposed to talk about on the forum. Just do a simple search and add mp4 into it.

I am wondering about your SubCin version and this is why: A number of years ago when VHS was still prevalent with trading, I had received the AN workprint from a good trader friend of mine who had a million connections. The quality on this 2 vhs set was pretty nice and went further to tell me it was like 1-2 generations down from the source who leaked the workprint to begin with

fast forward a few years-- I made a nice 3 disc dvd set out of that workprint. I also gave it 2 audio tracks since the WP audio was always a little muffled. The second audio track kind of cleaned that up a bit. I never circulated this online (torrents, RS, etc) but it did go out a few times to various traders who wanted it.

Just wondering if this SubCin version is really the edition I had made a number of years ago?

Either way if you need it, shoot me a PM

Here ye! Here ye! Here ye!

The 3*DVD version of the best known quality of the workprint is now available on newsgroups.

All thanks to Tranzor.

Mac.

Maclanachu said:

Here ye! Here ye! Here ye!

The 3*DVD version of the best known quality of the workprint is now available on newsgroups.

All thanks to Tranzor.

Mac.

Thank you! I've been looking for this for a while.  The 1 disc version is pretty crummy.

A.B.S.W? (at work, so I can't check)

a.b.dvd and a.b.movies.

A simple search on any of the free indexers limited to the past 7 days will turn it up.

thanks again!

Maclanachu said:

a.b.dvd and a.b.movies.

A simple search on any of the free indexers limited to the past 7 days will turn it up.

I have no idea how to access any of those things.  Does the film have a specific title name that can be googled (such as: Apocalypse Now 1979 WORKPRINT x264 AAC-UNiQUE)?

Here is a breakdown of the differences between the workprint and the theatrical release (from Plutonium Shores):

Apocalypse Now - The 5-hour Workprint

 

My copy of the Apocalypse Now Workprint runs some 5 hours and came as a 2-DVD set. The Workprint is a distillation of the masses of footage Coppola shot for Apocalypse Now, and should be considered a rough draft of the Original Cut of the film. The Workprint features no narration, no dialogue looping, no sound FX and none of the original score. As well as extra footage the Workprint contains alternative takes, alternative dialogue, a temp soundtrack, and in some cases absent scenes that would appear only in the Original Cut. The quality of the Workprint is very poor but watchable. Note! - the screenshots throughout this post are sourced from the Paramount DVD (not from the Workprint!), and are used to break up the text for the ease of reading.

Opening Sequence / Hotel Room
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The Opening Sequence and the Hotel Room sequence are largly the same as what ended up in the Original Cut, but scenes are extended - more Jungle explosions and helicopter shots, more shots of Williard's hotel room, Willard violently struggling with a Vietnamese prostitute and more footage of Willard in a drunken stupor, smearing himself with with blood. This opening sequence runs almost the entirity of the Doors song "The End" before it cuts out at the point in the Original Cut where Willard says "Saigon... Shit!"

When Willard looks out the hotel window to street below, the film cuts to a montage of Saigon street life. It's surprising that this shot was cut because it looks like it was hugely expensive to replicate a Saigon street in 1969.



In the scene where the two soldiers call to Willard's hotel with his orders, we see a quick shot inside the hotel room of Willard slumped on the floor as the soldiers knock on the door. When the soldiers push Willard under the shower, the scene carries on a little longer, with Willard calling the soldiers "Bastards". The scene is followed by a short scene where the soldiers shave Willard.

Military Base
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The military base, where Willard receives his assignment is longer with additional dialogue. The scene opens with a extended shot of Willard walking thru the base. At the dinner table, Willard is asked about the Special Forces. Major Corman promises Willard a promotion for doing the job, and this is riffed on much later in the film where Willard says "They were gonna make me a Major for this..." Also, this sequence must have been shot early in the shoot because Kurtz is referred to as Colonel Lee. Also, there is some alternative dialogue to that in the Original Cut - instead of the line "He has gone insane", in the Workprint its heard as "He has gone savage"

G.D. Spradin as General Corman, named after Roger Corman who produced Coppola's 1963 film Dementia 13

PBR Boat
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This scene is bookended by the Doors' song "I Can't See Your Face". In the Workprint, Willard is introduced to each of the crew, as talking head shots superimposed over a long shot of the boat in the dock. A very strange scene. This sequence is much longer than the Original Cut, there's a montage of scenes of the boat travelling up river, and a dialogue scene where Chef trips over Willard's bags...

Rendevous with Air Cav.
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The sequence where the boat meet with Air Cav is essentially the same as the Original Cut but is much longer. Some scenes were reinstated into the Redux version, but much has been left out. The sequence where Kilgore hands out his "deathcards" is a fragment of a longer scene where he walks thru the conquered villiage surveying the operations and inspecting dead bodies. It's a shame this scene was not preserved because it shows in greater detail, the devastation the Air Cav have inflicted on the village.

"Just go by like you're fighting, like you're fighting!"  Coppola's confessional cameo as a director struggling to orchestrate the chaos around him.

Beach Party
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The beach party scene that bridges the two big Air Cav scenes is extended but not much different. In the Workprint, we hear Kilgore crooning a country song. A small leftover of this scene is in the Original Cut. There's some additional dialogue by Mike From San Diego about the surfing at Vin Drin Dop.

Kilgore, one of those guys who had the weird light around him. Kilgore's line "Charlie Don't Surf" is a Charles Manson reference.  The phrase came after Manson's arrest and was to do with Manson's sour relationship with the Beach Boys' Dennis Wilson.

Air Strike on Vin Drin Dop
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Of all the sequences in the Workprint, the air strike has the more filler in terms of footage. Coppola probably shot hundreds of hours of footage of the helicopters laying siege to Vin Drin Dop, but in the Workprint, the footage is whittled down to maybe 30min. The scene opens with the helicopters emerging out of the golden dawn set to what sounds like an early prototype version of the Apocalypse Now synth score. To my ears it sounds like Coppola used a piece of music by Japanese electronic musician Tomita. It does sound very similar to the finished score so its possible Coppola had Tomita in mind to score the film. The Wagner music is in the Workprint, but is much longer.

Among the mass of footage of the helicopter attack, there are some interesting deletions. The shot of the water buffola pulling the cart along, seen briefly in the Original Cut is extended, and amusingly the buffalo runs right into the camera (destroying the camera I assume).

Kilgore's chopper with the inscription "Death from Above"

The brief shot of the footbridge being shot up by the helicopters is seen from alternative angle - we see the bridge being destoyed from a head-on piont of view. The most interesting part of this whole sequence is the grenade attack on the helicopter. In the Workprint, we see the grenade thrown into the helicopter from inside the helicopter. Then, there is a spectacular shot of the helicopter taking off, exploding and crashing to the ground some 3 or 4 feet. Then we see the soldiers on board tumbling out ingulfed in flames. This sequence in the Original Cut is much tighter, but it's far more visceral in the Workprint.

There is some short expaned footage of the soldiers runnig into the surf, Big Wednesday-style and trying to "break both ways" amidst the bombs and the bullets, much to Kilgore increasing annoyance. The remainer of the scene with the theft of Kilgore's surfboard was incorporated into Redux.

Tiger Sequence
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The Tiger sequence is booked ended by the Doors' song "Summers Almost Gone". The tiger sequence is largly the same but in the Workprint the sequence is composed with alternative takes and angles. The version in the Original Cut is more refined and works better - in the Workprint, the tiger appears to walk past Willard with disinterest.

The Playboy Show
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This sequence features a few alternative shots of the PBR arriving at the Bunny show. Most of the extra scenes are during the show. The Bunnies are seen talking to the soldiers from the stage, and signing autographs. The "Suzi Q" song in played out much longer like a freeform jam. If you listen closely to the song in the Original Cut you'll hear a jarring edit. The shot of an apprehensive Bill Graham sensing trouble from the crowd is missing from the Workprint.

Legendary rock concert promoter Bill Graham.  Look out for his Nixon impersonation as he makes a quick escape with the Bunnies.

Following the Playboy show is a lenghty sequence on the boat. The Doors song used in this sequence is "My Wild Love". There is extended footage of Lance skiing, and interestingly the Rolling Stones' "Satisfaction" is replaced by the Otis Redding version of the song. Its much funkier and makes more sense of Clean's dancing around the boat. There's also a short dialogue scene with Chief and Willard about Chief reading Revelations

Rendevous with the Bunnies
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This whole section was resurrected for Redux, but in the Workprint, the sequence is edited differently. In the Redux version, Lance and Chef's time with the Bunnies is intercut together, but in the Workprint, Lance's scene follows Chef's scene with no intercutting. Also, Lance's scene is longer than what is seen in Redux. His scene opens with him inhaling some kind gas a la Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet.

Then follows another boat sequence, leading up to the Sanpan Massacre. The music used here The Doors' "People Are Strange". There's some extra footage of Chef arguing with Clean, and a scene where Willard reads a letter aloud (from Kurtz's wife it seems). The most significant scene here is a bizarre sequence where the boat passes a booby trap on the river. The booby trap is fashioned to look ornamental, but Chief shoots at it and it explodes.

The swamped Medvac set destroyed by the typhoon that wreaked havoc on the production.  Coppola was so anxious to continue shooting that he incorporated the weather into this scene.

Sanpan Massacre
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No major differences here between the Workprint version and the Original Cut, besides some alternative shots and a short scene of Chef interrogating the Sanpan crew. After Williard shoots the wounded girl, Chef is overheard saying to Willard "Motherfuckers, come and look at it!"

Do Lung Bridge
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The Do Lung Bridge sequence is largely the same as the Original Cut. There is some extended exposition dialogue from Lieutenant Carlson about Do Lung Bridge but this dialogue is absent from the Original Cut and something similar is now spoken by Chief ("We build it every night. Charlie blows it right back up again")

The boat scene follwing Do Lung Bridge appears in both the Workprint and Original Cut but appears to have been reworked for the Original Cut. Clean reads his letter aloud, and Lance burns his letter. Then follows a bizarre scene where Lance guns down a water buffalo (off screen) to the fury of the boat crew. This scene is an interesting intersection of the Workprint and the Original Cut - in the Workprint, the death of Clean is omitted but its Lance's opening fire on the river bank that is the catalyst for the boat coming under attack and Clean's death in the Original Cut.

Colby's letter - "Sell the house.  Sell the car.  Sell the kids.  Find Someone else.  Forget it.  I'm never coming home back.  Forget it!!!

Following on from the Franch plantation sequence, now incorporated into Redux with no changes from how it appears in the Workprint; there is another boat sequence. There is an alternative scene of Chief and Willard arguing about going onwards in the fog, but the bulk of the extra footage here are long surreal panning shots of the jungle crowding in on the river. At this point of the Original Cut, we have the death of Chief, but like the death of Clean, it's omitted from the Workprint.

Kurtz Compound
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Of all the various sections of the Workprint, almost all the scenes that take place at the Kurtz compound are alternative scenes or footage that would not survive past the Workprint.

Dennis Hopper as the Photo Journalist has a different introduction in the Workprint. In his first scene in the Workprint, the title of the film is clearly visible painted on a wall ("Our Motto, Apocalypse Now"). The Photo Journalist has many more scenes in the Workprint, and much more dialogue with Willard. There's a telling scene in Hearts of Darkness where Coppola bemoans the fact that he has to work with Brando and "a crazy Dennis Hopper", and watching Hopper's scenes in the Workprint, Hopper does seem crazy - his line readings are loose, edgy and have an improvised feel.

Scott Glenn as Colby.  Only a fragment of his part is retained in the Theatrical Cut.

The Workprint also includes a few scenes with Scott Glenn, playing Colby, Willard's predecessor. Colby explains the bodies lying around the compound as the spoils of a raid on the NVA. Later on in the Workprint, there is a scene where Colby shoots the Photo Journalist four times and then is then killed by Willard.

Inside the compond there's a short sequence where Willard looks over the personal effects of Kurtz and examins his writings on the typewriter. The scene where Willard is shoved face down in the mud is extended. The introductory scene of Kurtz in the Workprint is where Kurtz wearing camoflage, throws Chef's severed head at Willard. Before this, Willard has dialogue where he says that his boat came under attack, and he needs rest.

Almost all the dialogue between Kurtz differs in subtle ways from the Original Cut. In the scene where Willard talks about the Ohio river, Kurtz mentions sailing down the river in a raft a la Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. When Kurtz asks Willard if he's an "assassin", Willard replies "I'm a professional soldier like You used to be" Worth mentioning also is how Kurtz appears in the Workprint. In the Original Cut, Kurtz is filmed in shadows but the Workprint he is more visible. In one daytime sequence he has a long dialogue with Willard, imprisoned in a bamboo cage about "master liars in Washington"

Kurt'z library.  The Golden Bough, A Study in Magic and Religion, and From Romance to Ritual (a book about the Holy Grail)

The Kurtz compound section features a whole 20min set peice that would not survive beyond the Workprint. In the Original Cut, between the scene of the Photo Journalist taunting Willard in the bamboo cage, and Willard moved into Kurtz's living quarters; there is a brilliant sequence where Willard is paraded around in the bamboo cage, poked with rifles and sticks and then set down before the ritual sacrifice of a pig. Interestingly, in this long sequence there are two scenes where Willard makes eye contact with the water buffalo that is sacrified at the climax of the film.

The scene where Kurtz reads aloud The Hollow Man, the poem is heard in its entirity. The sequence where Willard emerges out of the water to kill Kurtz begins with The Doors' song "When the Music's Over". This entire sequence is an alternative to the way it's presented in the Original Cut. Willard is seen killing one of Kurtz's bodyguards and smearing himself with blood. There's an odd scene here where a bodyguard picks up a native child to deflect Willard's spear, but Willard drives the spear into both of them !

Last will and testament of Walter E. Kurtz - Drop the bomb.  Exterminate them all

And then, as Willard approaches Kurtz, and after some 5 hours of Apocalypse Now madness the Workprint abruptly ends... somewhere down the crazy river.

Well, the thing with newsgroups is you have to *gasp" pay for a usenet service. About $100-120 per year.

It's old school stuff and a bit more fiddly than torrents. But it is server based, not peer to peer so downloads are faster and a lot of the indexers are keeping files for 1000 plus days now.

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Mac.

If someone could drop a PM once this arrive son a free service I'd appreciate it. In all honesty I can see myself never finishing watching this, but I want to have it for should I choose to go for it.

bkev said:

If someone could drop a PM once this arrive son a free service I'd appreciate it. In all honesty I can see myself never finishing watching this, but I want to have it for should I choose to go for it.

Actually, Apocalypse Now 1979 WORKPRINT x264 AAC-UNiQUE is more than serviceable.  The image is cropped to 2:35:1, so the time code is no longer visible (which is a good thing, for as Chris Bale would say, it's f**king distracting).  It is a 4.37gb MKV (so it can fit on a DVD-5) and has decent picture quality (probably as good as this will get, as the source was already pretty bad).  There are plenty of torrents with a healthy seeder list, so it should be easy to download the whole thing within a day or two.

In regards to watching this, I would take a day off and watch it in the morning (@ 10:00 AM to noonish).  Get yourself in the mindset, have plenty of time to watch it (and take the occasional lunch/dinner/bathroom break) and you should be okay.