STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 1067

The horror.

timdiggerm said:

Blue is often used, particularly with snow, to indicate night, or twilight.

Siliconmaster482 said:

Nothing wrong with blue twilight colors as long as the skin tones aren't lost. Note how Luke's face isn't as weird and blue and washed out in Adywan's version.

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You guys do understand that skin tone is determined by the ambient light around you, right?

I'm just saying that Ady's previous clip of that scene looked much better, as the amount of blue in the snow and the background should not result in Luke's face looking quite as orange like it does in the above image.

Here are a few examples:

http://kymkemp.com/media/old/2011/02/snow-play-at-dusk.jpg

(if you notice the plume of light behind the boy, it's from the artificial lighting to give normal skin tone to the boy.  Even so, you can see the surrounding area in regards to ambient lighting.  I also understand this is the basic gist of what Ady's going for in the above shot...

Like this:

I'm just wondering if Luke's face should have that much red/orange in it with that much ambient dark blue lighting around him)

Here is another example (it's during late day, but still):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/thatgirlsuicide/4274886215/in/photostream/

Ady: Did you sharpen any of those "after" shots? If so, then you're using an incredible sharpening algorithm; subtle and artifact-free, yet very effective!

If not, then I'm a loon. o.O

Also: There's still a bloody snowflake on Chewie's foot!

Bingowings said:

Your top example is nearest in light conditions to the ESB:R image and there I see blueish snow and orangey skin.

What is different is a white light source aimed behind the standing figure which I can only assume was added by the photographer.

Ady could add a faux light source to the shot but it would create an issue of continuity which might throw up ugly lit shots either side of this one.

We really have to see these shots in context to appreciate them.

Ady is generous with his previews but it does lead to a lot of navel gazing, only some of which is of value (though it's impossible to tell which is unless you are working at the chalkface so it's best to keep eyeballing that belly button lint).

Ah boy... Bingo, I'm not going to get pulled into a back-and-forth.  I stated fairly clearly that the reason the boy has normal skin tone is because the light source is above and behind the camera, lighting the boy and the ground immediately behind him.  It's a fill light (similar to the scene in SCARFACE when Tony is making the call after the chainsaw scene on the pier.  With the orange setting sun behind him, DePalma needed a fill light so you could see him and the background sunset.  If there wasn't a fill light on the kid, he would be extremely dark as the picture was exposed to get the surrounding landscape).

Regardless, maybe it's just a thing to see in motion.  I'm just saying I'm not sure if Luke would have such reddish skin tone if the surrounding ambient light is dark blue.

Even so, you can be insulting and call this navel gazing, but the entire point (I thought) of Ady posting such pictures was to get feedback and ideas.  I can't make Ady change anything, but I can provide my personal perspective.  That is all.

What is interesting is that it looks like EMPIRE:R is going back to the look of the 2004 dvd (at least with the specific "Luke sees Obi Wan" scene):

Adywan's The Empire Strikes Back: Revisited - Lukes Rescue (go to 2:40)

EMPIRE:Revisited:

EMPIRE: 2004 dvd:

muddyknees2000 said:

Monroville said:

What is interesting is that it looks like EMPIRE:R is going back to the look of the 2004 dvd (at least with the specific "Luke sees Obi Wan" scene):

The 2004 DVD just had bad color correction......whereas Ady is moving time forward and making the scene closer to nightfall....it adds up to more or less the same result (for that particular scene) but the motivations are far different.

So.. is there a reason Ady decided not to use the sequence color timing as seen above?

The colour correction seen on earlier videos and the ESB reconstruction was just the first phase of correction. I had to strip the cyan out of the picture to be able to have a start basis to be able to restore lost colours due to their heavy handed colour filtering. This in turn cause blues/ cyans that should have been there to be lost and had to be restored at a later date. The rescue scene was always blue and Dagobah was also blue tinted. Puggo's ESB is the closest you are going to see of the correct colouring for ESB unless they do a proper restoration of the film. ESB was never completely blue like the DVD's/ Blu-rays but you would be surprised just how much blue was in the picture.  My goal was always to restore it close to how it originally looked. It won't be be exactly the same though as there is only so much you can do with the source used.

oh, and ignore the saturation of the latest ESB:R screenshots. I have no idea what happened but when capturing them to png the saturation was boosted, especially in the reds. I'll try and recapture some so you can hopefully see the true colouring

I'll also reply to some of the other comments as son as i can

All this reminds me of a line from the end of "Driving Miss Daisy"...

"How you know how I see less'n you can look out my eyes?"

Everyone's perception of color is slightly different.  Everyone's monitor displays color slightly different.  Everyone has a different personal preference of what's the "right" color of something.

Bottom line is that no matter how finely Ady tunes the colors, someone isn't going to like it for some reason.  When he finally releases it and you're playing it on your TV, if you think the colors aren't right, that's your problem, not his.  Adjust the settings on your TV and make a preset for it.

There's something I just never really liked about the reveal of the Executor (SSD).

I always used to think that maybe what was wrong with it was that they didn't depict the scale properly or something (that is, it's supposed to look ENORMOUS, but the shot didn't pull it off properly.)

In looking at screenshots, I think I've found the problem is that there is no shadow on the nearby Star Destroyer(s) in shots following the first one:

In this shot, the Executor is casting a massive shadow across several of the Star Destroyers:

But in the next two shots which reveal the actual size of the Super Star Destroyer, there is no visible shadow whatsoever, so the standard Star Destroyers (and the TIEs, for that matter) )look pasted into the shot rather than actually being there:

Can this be fixed, so that the Executor's shadow is cast across the Star Destroyers (and perhaps also TIEs) in the second and third shots? Plus, the Executor in the third shot is darker down one side than the other, but in the second shot there's no difference, which is a continuity error.

Also, in that first shot, It's really nitpicky but I'm not sure if the shadow on the two Star Destroyers in the background is supposed to be coming from the Executor.

If it is, then that makes no sense because the shadows on them are unchanging throughout the shot while the shadow on the nearest SD is moving. If it is not, and the shadow on them is a result of an offscreen star casting light on only one side, then the light cast on them from said star should similarly affect the light being cast on the nearest SD.

Come to think of it, the two SDs in the background on that first shot look like they're the same model. If you look at them both, they are light on one side and dark on the other, split right down the middle in the same place, and yet they would seem to be at different angles to the light source, which makes no sense.


(sorry for being wordy about this and jumping from this problem to that. I just keep noticing problems with this scene as I continue to look at it, so I keep editing my post to add things.)

EDIT:
"46 - Altered path of stardestroyer in first fleet shot so it doesn't look like it is just dropping down the frame
47 - Altered path of distant stardestroyers to give them a more natural movement
48 - fixed problem of TIE flying behind the stardestroyer tower causing scaling problems and replaced all TIES in this shot apart from Bomber
49 - Altered the shadow seen on the underbelly of executor in close-up shot to match other shots.
50 - Fixed bluescreen matte problems of rear side of stardestroyer tower on executor underbelly shot"

Okay, I do see that you may have fixed /some/ of my issues.

I remember seeing a comparison between the blu and Ady's version of the second pic you posted (SD & Ties under SSD) and being impressed. Maybe someone has it and could post it?

Another person for Ady to add in the list of credits, Stuart Freeborn passed away tuesday at the age of 98. Ady should put him right beside Irvin Kershner. Stuart Freeborn RIP, if it weren't for you we would not have the yoda we all know today.