Oh , there was a moon landing alright. I have no doubt about that. People just never saw it. What was shown on TV was just that , a show. A show being filmed on a set.
Do you really think that the US government didn't already know that their is some stuff up there that they don't want you to know about?
You can ask the question , Why havn't they gone back since then?
How do you know they havn't?
There is a lot of money to be made on the moon and it makes good biological sense to have more than one basket of humanity in the cosmos.
I think short termism is a better explanation.
To make a lunar base pay it would require a massive investment with a limited immediate profit.
Much of what can be found on the moon can be found for the same price or less on the Earth.
When that changes there would be a gold rush up there.
The moon mice won't love it.
I thought Stephen King was of the opinion that Kubrick pretty much ruined the book and never even read it.
Though i must admit the tv version he approved with the guy from Wings was horrible.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Info_Jedi said:
Oh , there was a moon landing alright. I have no doubt about that. People just never saw it. What was shown on TV was just that , a show. A show being filmed on a set.
As I have already done to others in this thread, I now refer you to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU
Warbler said:
Do you know why I think they really believe the moon landing was fake, it is because they are bigoted against the establishment. They hate the establishment and so anything the establishment says must be a lie. The establishment says we landing on the moon, it must a lie. The establishment says Elvis is dead, it must a lie. The establishment says Bin Laden did 911, it must be a lie. The only conspiracy theory I give and credence to is that someone may have been helping Oswald kill Kennedy. When I saw the Zapruder film, I first thought "there is not way the headshot came from behind" (since then I have been convinced that it is possible the head came from behind), and then there was all the stuff about the magic and pristine bullet. So I can't blame someone for thinking that maybe someone else was involved. But the other stuff is just ludicrous.
Wait a minute? What the hell? You are taken in by asinine reasoning and bullshit physics and believe there is some possibility to the Kennedy conspiracy stuff, but you disregard anyone else who is taken in by bullshit explanations as idiots who should fuck off and die? Seriously? Wow. People have thrown together physics engines and proven that a bullet traveling at that particular velocity from that particular trajectory could do exactly what that bullet did. But someone spun the information to you in such a way you decided there may have been two shooters.
I feel like you have equally as convincing "scientific" reasoning as to why we couldn't possible have gone to the moon as we do for the BS two shooters JFK thing. So why be so hateful and unforgiving toward someone who has done essentially what you have done with the JFK stuff, that is, seen some videos on it and found themselves convinced it is a possibility?
Warbler said:
Please CP3S, try to use logic and reason to convince BmB that the moon landing was not faked. Lets see if you can do it. I'll bet it will just be a waste of your time.
Less of a waste of time than telling him how dumb he is and that you wish he'd go and die simply because you disagree with him.
BmB said:
SilverWook said:
If that's how you really feel about this website and it's members, I wonder why you're hanging around here in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a nerd too and I like to complain. But being a moderator of an internet forum doesn't exactly prove anything about your judgement.
Except that the people who own this site trust me with the keys to the liquor cabinet, not to mention that giant banhammer hanging on the wall. ;)
Where were you in '77?
timdiggerm said:
Info_Jedi said:
Oh , there was a moon landing alright. I have no doubt about that. People just never saw it. What was shown on TV was just that , a show. A show being filmed on a set.
As I have already done to others in this thread, I now refer you to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU
Info_Jedi said:
Oh , there was a moon landing alright. I have no doubt about that. People just never saw it. What was shown on TV was just that , a show. A show being filmed on a set.
Do you really think that the US government didn't already know that their is some stuff up there that they don't want you to know about?
You can ask the question , Why havn't they gone back since then?
How do you know they havn't?
another troll. I will put him on ignore.
CP3S said:
Warbler said:
Do you know why I think they really believe the moon landing was fake, it is because they are bigoted against the establishment. They hate the establishment and so anything the establishment says must be a lie. The establishment says we landing on the moon, it must a lie. The establishment says Elvis is dead, it must a lie. The establishment says Bin Laden did 911, it must be a lie. The only conspiracy theory I give and credence to is that someone may have been helping Oswald kill Kennedy. When I saw the Zapruder film, I first thought "there is not way the headshot came from behind" (since then I have been convinced that it is possible the head came from behind), and then there was all the stuff about the magic and pristine bullet. So I can't blame someone for thinking that maybe someone else was involved. But the other stuff is just ludicrous.
Wait a minute? What the hell? You are taken in by asinine reasoning and bullshit physics and believe there is some possibility to the Kennedy conspiracy stuff, but you disregard anyone else who is taken in by bullshit explanations as idiots who should fuck off and die? Seriously? Wow. People have thrown together physics engines and proven that a bullet traveling at that particular velocity from that particular trajectory could do exactly what that bullet did. But someone spun the information to you in such a way you decided there may have been two shooters.
I think you misunderstood. I used to believe there might have been two shooters. Now, I mostly believe it was just Oswald. I certainly never believed in a massive government conspiracy to kill JFK. All I meant was that I could understand someone thinking that JFK wasn't killed by Kennedy alone.
CP3S said:
I feel like you have equally as convincing "scientific" reasoning as to why we couldn't possible have gone to the moon as we do for the BS two shooters JFK thing. So why be so hateful and unforgiving toward someone who has done essentially what you have done with the JFK stuff, that is, seen some videos on it and found themselves convinced it is a possibility?
Believing in more than one shooter, is nowhere near as stupid as believing the moon landing was fake.
With the two shooter thing, all it would have taken is another person helping Oswald that just happened to get away, and then an incompetent government investigation. Again, I am not saying that I believe that is what happened.
With the moon landing being fake, you need a massive cover up. You need a huge number of people to be "in on it". It is way less believable than more than one person being involved with the Kennedy assassination.
Warbler said:
Please CP3S, try to use logic and reason to convince BmB that the moon landing was not faked. Lets see if you can do it. I'll bet it will just be a waste of your time.
Less of a waste of time than telling him how dumb he is and that you wish he'd go and die simply because you disagree with him.
again this is more than just simply disagreeing with him. It should be very clear by now that I don't tell everyone that I disagree with that they are dumb and that I wish they would die. And I don't really the conspirators would die. I am sure many people say foad or esad without really wishing death on another person.
But again CP3S, please use logic and reasoning on BmB and Info_Jedi. I wonder if they will engage you in a serious and logical and reasonable and rational debate or if they will respond like assclowns. I am betting the latter. But please, CP3S, start your debate with them. I want to see it.
How did I miss this comedy gold thread until now?
Incidentally, I seem to recall BmB saying really dumb things before, including fairly recently. Too lazy to look, however.
All things considered, it would be a lot easier for Stanley to film a confession, and then bury it in his archives for eventual discovery after his death, than plant hidden "clues" in his films.
If there are any intentional hidden messages in The Shining at all, it's akin to the Beatles doing backwards masking on purpose for a good laugh.
I knew a garage band in the early 90's that meticulously created a song that got really creepy when you played it backwards.
Where were you in '77?
The simplest pieces of evidence that are impossible to refute without inventing top-secret technology:
In order to hoax these two pieces of evidence - pieces of evidence that were available to people AROUND THE WORLD - we need to imagine advanced secret technology available to NASA, and we're back at the important question: If NASA had all this top-secret technology and the means to pull off a conspiracy of this magnitude, why is it so hard to believe they had the means to strap a few death-defying test pilots to a rocket and fire it at the moon?
What I see, all too often, the common denominator among moon hoax theorists, is a distrust of the American government. We start with the conclusion that "The American government is a pack of lying conspirators," and then we work backwards to get to, "The moon landing was a hoax."
skyjedi2005 said:
I thought Stephen King was of the opinion that Kubrick pretty much ruined the book and never even read it.
Though i must admit the tv version he approved with the guy from Wings was horrible.
The weird thing for me was how the boy in the telly version looked like and acted like Shelly Duvall.
He also looked like my eldest niece when she was his age.
asterisk8 said:
What I see, all too often, the common denominator among moon hoax theorists, is a distrust of the American government. We start with the conclusion that "The American government is a pack of lying conspirators," and then we work backwards to get to, "The moon landing was a hoax."
^ this.
asterisk8 said:
The simplest pieces of evidence that are impossible to refute without inventing top-secret technology:
- The fact that amateur and professional radio enthusiasts tracked Apollo 11 all the way to the moon. They could hear every transmission, and had to adjust their equipment regularly as the earth rotated to remain fixed on the transmission. What were they tracking? There was some actual object transmitting radio frequencies as it traveled from the earth to the moon.
- Apollo 11 astronauts installed laser range-finding retroreflectors that anyone with laser range-finding equipment could use to measure the distance of the moon. Someone/something installed those things at precisely the right angle to allow universities and laboratories around the world to aim their lasers and take these measurements as early as July 1969. How did they get there?
In order to hoax these two pieces of evidence - pieces of evidence that were available to people AROUND THE WORLD - we need to imagine advanced secret technology available to NASA, and we're back at the important question: If NASA had all this top-secret technology and the means to pull off a conspiracy of this magnitude, why is it so hard to believe they had the means to strap a few death-defying test pilots to a rocket and fire it at the moon?
What I see, all too often, the common denominator among moon hoax theorists, is a distrust of the American government. We start with the conclusion that "The American government is a pack of lying conspirators," and then we work backwards to get to, "The moon landing was a hoax."
[pretending to be a conspiracy nut]
you're just a stooge bought and paid for by the man!
[/pretending to be a conspiracy nut]
Look at that: next to the International Space Station. Isn't that The Moon?
“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison
I see what you did there.
asterisk8 said:What I see, all too often, the common denominator among moon hoax theorists, is a distrust of the American government. We start with the conclusion that "The American government is a pack of lying conspirators," and then we work backwards to get to, "The moon landing was a hoax."
SilverWook said:All things considered, it would be a lot easier for Stanley to film a confession, and then bury it in his archives for eventual discovery after his death, than plant hidden "clues" in his films.
Seriously. Comedy gold.
What you are about read blurs the line between fact and fantasy, lie and revealed truth.
It starts in Avignon France but that part of the tale is a story for which the world is not yet prepared.
Sticking to the pertaining facts, in 1968 a science fiction film still popular to this day was released.
In it a spacecraft initially portrayed as being from a distant alien world, crashed in a radiated desert.
One crew member died before impact.
The rest of the crew were found to be members of a species of degenerate primates.
One was killed, gutted and put on display, one was experimented on and lobotomised and the other escaped and discovered the remains of the broken Statue Liberty.
In 1947 a spacecraft initially thought to be from a distant alien world, crashed into a radiated desert... that's the signpost up ahead:
The crew were found to be shaved monkeys, the ship was an early Soviet hi-altitude re-entry vehicle.
Called in to examine the foil parachute array was a decorated war hero and air force consultant.
The technology was hit and miss and the Soviets and Americans continued sending animals and children into the upper atmosphere and space for decades before Vostok 1 was announced as the first 'official' spacecraft to launch a human into orbit.
The myth of flying discs and alien invaders have been used as a mask for experimental aircraft and mind control experiments ever since.
The parachute consultant never escaped from the twilight realm he encountered that night.
I am out of this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D8bXCR6Epk
Dont be sheep! The Shining's not about the moon landing! It's about FDR and the Gold Standard!
BmB said:
This is a display of ignorance, not of theorists, but of the US government.
If you knew a tenth the shit they've done you would know to not trust a single word they say and always assume the opposite is likely true.
Thank you. I'll be honest. I put that last bit in there as bait. You took it, ignoring the evidence in the first part so you could rant and curse about the evil government and other people. Says all that needs to be said about you, and is scarily identical to every other conversation I've had with conspiracy theorists. You're a riot!
Hogwash! The Shining has nothing to do with government conspiracies! It's all about The Native American Genocide!
http://www.collativelearning.com/the%20shining%20-%20chap%2012.html