The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 18

I want to believe that the prequels can be fixed, but at the moment, I have a hard time accepting it can be done. I want to be wrong though.

I've said this elsewhere, but my opinion is that the only way to fix the films is to remake them. We've reached a time in history where someone other than Lucas owns Star Wars. They have an opportunity to fix what's broken, but it probably won't happen. They own it, but they most likely won't step on Lucas' toes by remaking his work. But who knows. My hope is that someone in charge will eventually have the guts to tell Lucas to take a step back and make this happen.

This is my hope anyway. They've already shown some intelligence when hiring Kasdan. That one thing makes me excited about the future of Star Wars. So again, who knows what may happen.

Disney, you will remake the prequels... You will.

I want to see a more focus on Obi-Wan. He show technically be the main character of the prequels. That way Episode IV can be a sort of passing of the torch to Luke Skywalker. Anakin's fall should be a subplot. I want to see a focus on Obi-Wan.

Also, can you change the opening to Episode I somehow to make it much more exciting. Episode IV began with a Star Destroyer attacking Tantive IV. Epiosde I should begin with something to catch your interest. Perhaps somehow starting the film with Darth Maul, similar to how Episode VI started with Vader, and then move to Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon going to the Trade Federation ship. 

When the Jedi and the Queen escape to Tatooine, they should see Darth Maul coming at them, giving more urgency to hurry up on Tatooine and get to Coruscant.

Unless they know who Maul is how would they seeing him add tension for them?

As iconic as Maul is it would probably make sense to recast him in close up so that new footage can be added without it being obvious that the man behind the makeup is different.

It doesn't have to be Maul, but they definitely need more tension in the Tatooine scenes. It should seem like their in a hurry.

Also, if the need ever arises and Adywan finishes the prequel trilogy, presumably around 2019 or 2020, does Adywan plan to do his own version of the sequel trilogy?

Nerdman3000 said:

Also, if the need ever arises and Adywan finishes the prequel trilogy, presumably around 2019 or 2020, does Adywan plan to do his own version of the sequel trilogy?

If he had the means to actually make his own movies, I think Adywan wouldn't be doing an edit of the prequels.

Or are you saying will he edit the upcoming Disney sequel trilogy?

I think Ady has stated he won't be editing the Sequel Trilogy. I don't really blame him. I mean how much older might he be by the time even the Prequels are done? I'm sure once these are done, which will be a massive achievement, he will want a well deserved break.

Furthermore, the Sequel Trilogy may surprise us by actually being good. I'm remaining hopeful. 

I'm guessing Kasdan and everyone else involved will want to forget the PT ever happened. I'm pretty confident that whilst Disney is known for sometimes making shlock, they're going into this with the mindset of "ok, George clearly has a mental illness and a severe case of narcissism, but let's take everything beloved about the franchise and apply it to this". Maybe they'll get it all wrong, but I don't think it could EVER be as bad as the prequels.

Nerdman3000 said:

...but they definitely need more tension in the Tatooine scenes. It should seem like their in a hurry.

I have this same problem when Han & Co. are with the Ewoks in ROTJ.

brash_stryker said:

I'm guessing Kasdan and everyone else involved will want to forget the PT ever happened. I'm pretty confident that whilst Disney is known for sometimes making shlock, they're going into this with the mindset of "ok, George clearly has a mental illness and a severe case of narcissism, but let's take everything beloved about the franchise and apply it to this". Maybe they'll get it all wrong, but I don't think it could EVER be as bad as the prequels.

They hired Kasdan. I repeat, they hired Kasdan. Also, they hired Drew Struzan do the poster art. The mouse is trying, and it's clear they are going back to some roots that worked.

I can't see why they have this odd attachment to the Queen's ship.

Sell it for scrap and hire another ship.

You never know though.

Adywan (the man) may not want to continue but Team Adywan TNG may want to keep those pesky new films in line with what you have done.

adywan said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

I definitely understand Ady not editing the ST - I'm really hoping that they are done well so that it's not necessary. With that said, my hope is that as he edits the PT, Ady takes ST continuity into account (if only slightly). It is going to be devastating if we are provided an amazing 6 part Revisited saga... that can't be watched cohesively with the ST. I'm assuming that shouldn't really be an issue, since the PT should be minimally mentioned in the ST... but when it comes to SW, you never know what could happen...

The revisited saga will only be 6 films. I won't ever be touching Ep 7 and onwards. And i also won't be taking anything in to account from those films continuity wise , because i have to wait until all the new episodes are done before even staring the prequels.  If i wanted to change something in the PT and then it is suddenly referenced in the ST, then that would screw everything up. I don't want to be an old(er) man by the time these films are finished. I want to get them out of the way and forget about Star Wars and fan editing. I'll be done. You're talking at least another 6 years before episode 9 is released and that bis only if they are releasing then 2 years apart.. So add that to the years that it will take me to do the prequels and i'll probably be ready to collect my pension.

I would suggest you forget about the prequels altogether. Those were unsalvable terrible movies that are not necessary at all to enjoy Star Wars.

Whatever you edit, whatever you dub or re-do, you will still have the basic plot that doesnt make real sense, same acting and same peoplewalkingthroughcorridors directing.

And I think, by the time you finished ROTJ:R, we will already have Episode VII, and im sure, by then, most of us will connect the prequels with the sequels as "subprodcuts" like comics or videogames, like "things that were made just to squeeze money from the original".

Yeah but that's where the freedom to be creative lies.

You can't dramatically alter the first two near perfect films, only tidy up the SE mess and some of the continuity errors etc.

ROTJ and the PT are more of a challenge because they are so broken but they also allow more space to be imaginative.

Jedi and the PT are the Revisitations I'm looking forward to the most and I can't wait for Ady and the team to start working on them.

Indeed.  Because there are *so many* differing ways in which the 3 prequels (and even ROTJ) can be recut and restructured, it will be really interesting to see what adywan's own preference is with them all eventually.  And especially fascinating to see whatever additional 'effects' enhancements he chooses to add anywhere too. 

And of course, they will generate a whole new slew of conflicting views on their specific threads for us all to munch through someday... :)

One change I am hoping for with ROTS:SE sounds simple but might actually be pretty tricky.

ROTS is now in no possible way the last Star Wars film (unless you class it as the last George Star Wars film) so it doesn't make sense to me that it's soundtrack should end with a medley of themes from films that "haven't happened yet".

What I propose is that a new end title track be constructed, one that sounds like it's going to end on a bum note (The Emperor's theme for example) but then there is a tiny ray of light with a Force theme reprise.

One big problem (one of many) I had leaving the cinema after seeing ROTS was the end titles were way too up beat for such a downer of a film.

Timing such a creature would be a challenge though.

Similarly I'd either drop Vader's breathing from the end of TPM or have some similar lead in sound effect acting as a foreshadowing of the next episode.

So in TPM we might hear Nute demand Padme's death.

In AOTC we could hear Vader's breath.

In ROTS we could hear Leia's transmission to Obi-Wan.

By the time ROTJ:R is out we might even have a sound clip that could be placed there to lead into Episode VII.

A good source to get lines from for Epiosde III would be from the Episode II video game that came along with the movie. Al lot of the lines in the game are different then the ones used in the movie. Most of the characters were voiced by the same actors from the movie. Specifically Hayden and Ewan. Could always be useful. Especially with the duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan. The lines in the game differ drastically from the movie duel.

Also, I agree with Bingowings statement above.

I'd really like to see Obi-Wan become the protaganist of the Adywan Prequel trilogy. That way Episode IV can be a passing of the torch between Obi-Wan and Luke. 

Nerdman3000 said:

I'd really like to see Obi-Wan become the protaganist...

More or less what I had anticipated back in 1998.....which caused no end of confusion and disappointment when he more or less sits the whole movie out.

In an ideal world where Ewan was given a workable script and a director who could direct actors it would make sense to have Obi-Wan the PT protagonist but there isn't really enough Obi-Wan to put him the center of any one film bar the last.

Unless...

Rather than having a trilogy protagonist it would make more sense to have one per episode.

Padme makes more sense in TPM (she has a mission statement to fulfill).

Weird as it sounds Anakin has the nearest thing to a story role in AOTC.

ROTS is practically Palpatine's but in terms of a hero it's the nearest you get to an Obi-Wan that connects to the OT (he is more relaxed, he has moments where he shows genuine concern for his former charge he looks and feels more like Ben (when he isn't doing cart-wheels or juggling light sticks).

I don't agree. The Original Trilogy's protagonist was Luke Skywalker. That was one protagonist for three films. I really believe that the prequels should have only one protagonist. 

Although I wonder if Adywan can somehow add Obi-Wan to going with Qui-Gon to Tatooine. That will likely be impossible, but it would be cool if he could somehow do it.

Nerdman3000 said:

I don't agree. The Original Trilogy's protagonist was Luke Skywalker. That was one protagonist for three films. I really believe that the prequels should have only one protagonist. 

Although I wonder if Adywan can somehow add Obi-Wan to going with Qui-Gon to Tatooine. That will likely be impossible, but it would be cool if he could somehow do it.

I agree that they should but the only way to do that would be to remake them all from scratch.

Obi-Wan is barely a secondary character in the first film, is caught up in some pointless investigation plot in the second and is isolated for much of the third film.

Most his growth as a character takes place off screen between TPM and AOTC.

There is only so much sow's ear.

That's why I suggested a different approach for the PT because the focus moves from episode to episode and making the best of what is there is all we can hope for from anyone even team Adywan.