And I wonder if they'll also shoot Womprats for bonus points too! ;-)
“Did you know, the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?! Look it up.”
timdiggerm said:
Well that's not true... http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080122204332/starwars/images/0/09/LarsGarage.jpg
EDIT: In case it's not clear, I'm not talking about the model Luke's holding.
do the bottom wings on those things fold up? Either way, where ARE they on the full size ship in Owen's garage?
Oh! I was looking on the left. Apologies. But yeah, Muddyknees' point is valid whereas mine was utter crap :-p
Look out the doorway and you can see his T-16 parked in that same shot at about the same angle as he's holding his model.
I can't remember if I have mentioned this before so I hope I'm not repeating ideas, but I thought it would have been nice to see more of Tarkin in the earlier episodes. Also if Palpatine were made to look much older, like very very old man who just ages and deteriorates to the point we see in RotJ, then rather than him edge his way into power as we are shown in the PT, I would rather see him sort of bullied into it by other senators who see him as a wise old man, but over the course of the PT Tarkin (the Republic's head military guy) could seem to overwhelm Palpatine a little because he is such a strong character. This could drive the other senators to want to remove some of Tarkin's power and give it to the Chancellor, moving the Republic closer to an Empire, but it would look like it was more in the control of the democracy than Palpatine. This way when we find out Palpatine has been pulling the strings throughout he looks so much more manipulative than anyone could have known.
Also, with regards to keeping the Yoda reveal secret until ESB, I completely agree he should be removed from onscreen and just mentioned as a great jedi master who trained Obi Wan. But I would push this idea even more and say that whilst the majority of the jedi we see will be human, it is nice to see alien species can be jedi too, but when alien jedi are shown, they should never be smaller than human. Perhaps even have an alien jedi used in Yoda's place but make this character look a lot bigger, just to add to the shock that the most powerful jedi is so small.
Fantastic work on the edits around here. It's alot of fun.
I wonder if each ep could start out with minimal changes for the first few minutes to preserve mood and then increase gradually over the next 10-15 minutes. This might preseve the original experience and mood and pace and then surprise gradually with more and more changes. ;/
thejediknighthusezni said:
Fantastic work on the edits around here. It's alot of fun.
I wonder if each ep could start out with minimal changes for the first few minutes to preserve mood and then increase gradually over the next 10-15 minutes. This might preseve the original experience and mood and pace and then surprise gradually with more and more changes. ;/
sooo....crap to not bad to good?
we're actually going to try and make the entire film watchable...
^ Yeah, I was thinking basically about pace for those very familiar with the rythm.
That's like asking someone schizophrenic to not take their meds for a few hours each morning so they can reminisce with the voices in their heads.
Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000
It struck me the other day whilst watching L8wrtr's fan edit of AOTC, which I believe he's colour graded to a degree.....my god. Once you change the colours (or do whatever it is he did) it really exposes the green screen. All the characters looked like they weren't actually there. I really couldn't believe how much it made them stand out from the background. Whilst the films have always been like a cartoon, the illusion that they're in these environments has mostly come across.
This may ultimately make it easier for ady to roto them out and then make new backgrounds that actually match the elements being superimposed.
Edit: It is of course possible that he didn't do any colour grading and I'm just noticing how bad it is for the first time.
A couple of fan requests for the prequels, specifically the Phantom Menace. I'd really like to see more of Darth Maul. I don't know if its possible but I really want to see him get more screen time, show that his character is more of a menace toward the Jedi. I'd like to see perhaps the Jedi see Maul as their escaping Naboo so that they know he's an enemy and let that increase the tension of the movie. I'd also like to see if you can try to change young Jake Lyold Anakin's, perhaps with another kid, so its not as annoying.
The next request is not really a request but more of an idea. Now I know Adywan has no intention of adding anything to do with the Expanded Universe, and while I agree, I would like to see perhaps a passing mention to perhaps the Thrawn Trilogy, by far the only true competent EU story out there. Maybe a passing mention of Thrawns name or a cameo of Mara Jade in Jabbas Palace, as according to Thrawn trilogy, she was there in disguise on a mission to kill Luke Skywalker.
Other than that, I wish you good luck on your glorious fan edit, and may the Force be with you!
Nerdman3000 said:
I'd also like to see if you can try to change young Jake Lyold Anakin's, perhaps with another kid, so its not as annoying.
Sounds like you really like Jake Lyold and you're just trying to hide it.
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Ani-lover.
brash_stryker said:
Edit: It is of course possible that he didn't do any colour grading and I'm just noticing how bad it is for the first time.
I think this is the case, but I'll have to ask him.
I believe L8wrtr didn't color grade at all - he did use Blu as his source, which is color graded. That is in contrast to the deleted scenes he reinserted which I believe were not color graded at all.
Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000
The extra detail from the Blu Ray source must just really show up how bad it is then. I've only ever watched the DVD edits (got my official blu rays sealed with no intention of ever watching them). Maybe a lower resolution actually helps unite the fake and the real elements by blurring the edges a bit :)
I have a question, but for the prequel trilogy, would you use some of the designs from http://swremixed.deviantart.com/gallery/ as they are really good. Some examples are:
I miss Angel's pictures on these threads but he was very vocal about not having any of his stuff showing up in Ady's edits (which is a bit difficult to police really seeing as his pictures are variations of George's property and some ideas posted in suggestions for projects like Revisited).
I wonder what happened to the edit he was meant to be working on?
It would be nice to have a thread about it where we can see more pictures like those above.
It's so frustrating when people get all territorial about things like this.
Question, but since I'm not sure if Adywan has plans to remove Jar Jar, could you replace his voice and lines to make him almost seem like a different character. Personally I'd just remove him, but it's your call.
Girl, I didn't know you could get down like that
Charlie how your Angels get down like that?
Girl, I didn't know you could get down like that
Charlie how your Angels get down like that?
Personally I'd keep him but edit out the worst slapstick moves and give him a less grating character via a redub.
I'd make him a 'fish out of water' sort of character.
Have him the Gungan representative to the Senate, not used to combat situations.
A bit like the stupid Marcus Brody from The Last Crusade as opposed to the smart one from Raiders.
If Ady can paint him out of the scenes, he is completely unnecessary and the film works without him - I cut The Phantom Menace to an hour without any of the other Gungans. Without the other Gungans, Jar Jar's story arc is compromised, allowing him to be removed from the film. I'm just not sure how the film can be fleshed out with all of them cut to be an acceptable length.
Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000
The problem is if you paint out everyone who isn't necessary from TPM you will have almost a blank screen.
Besides there is nothing wrong with whimsy especially in a series like Star Wars.
The promise of the Revisited, it's potential I mean, is to give us the sort of film George 'meant' to make but failed to make.
The character looks okay, he serves some narrative function but it's his personality and vocal ticks that are annoying and actually rather offensive in their Stepin Fetchit stylings.
If Jar-Jar was kept, still did much of the same stuff but was transformed into an endearing character it would keep the intent of the film alive only make functional.
Currently the film is a defined cultural artifact which infamously malfunctions and in his current incarnation Jar-Jar is almost emblematic of that.
If Team Adywan can fix Jar-Jar without cutting him out of the picture it proves they can do almost anything.
I firmly believe that Jar Jar was always intended to be a character that stuck with our protagonists through the entire prequel saga. But then everyone hated him so Lucas was pretty much shamed into barely even showing him in the next two. Clearly he didn't have the conviction or passion for the character to have kept him in regardless - which just shows that Jar Jar as a character wasn't thought out at all and none of it was planned out because the next 2 were written Jar-Jar-less and still function (or don't as may be the case).
So as it stands, his role in the prequels is compromised as he didn't fulfill it for more than the one film, which to me makes him completely pointless and it's a bit odd to have someone be so significant in one film yet become pretty much a cameo role in the rest.
His only role even within TPM is to introduce us to the Gungans, and when it comes to it, I'd remove the whole lot of them too! The battle with them vs the droids is ultimately pointless so why have it? Let's just have one human population on Naboo and leave it at that.
My vote would be to get rid of him. Better yet, replace him with some character Ady is adding throughout the saga. Replacing him with a recast Anakin and rejigging it all so they meet him on Tatooine would be my wish, but I've harped on about that enough :-p
I'd agree that in the average fan-edit, removing Jar-Jar would be impossible, however Ady is no doubt going to do some major rearranging and, I assume, flesh much of it out through refilmed elements. This isn't just another fan edit where we need to retain their reason for getting to the Gungan city and then into a submarine etc etc. In his edit, none of this might happen. Maybe something completely different that we never imagined happens.
The problem with Jar Jar is that he is the only character in the film with a full character arc... My fear is that if they "fix" him, the film will focus even more on him - not intentionally, simply because our brains are searching for a specific zero-to-hero stereotype and Jar Jar fits the bill for the most part, just not pleasantly.
I think one of the biggest things missing from TPM was controversy between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Anakin should have known Obi-Wan didn't think he should be trained as a jedi, and been defensive about it and eager to prove himself. They could have bickered slightly, just a few short remarks back and forth. Obi-Wan, over the course of the film, should have grown to grudgingly like him, with the destruction of the Trade Federation ship being a catalyst for him taking Anakin as his apprentice. Including that in the film would have given Anakin and Obi-Wan their own arcs to rival and probably supersede Jar Jar's arc.
Instead we got a "last wish" from Qui-Gon, which left much to be desired...
Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000
If they fix him who cares if the story focuses more on him?
If he is fixed he is an interesting character and the film needs at least one.
He is easier to fix than any of the other planks in the film because he is totally artificial.
You can change anything about him with much more ease than making me give a toss if Qui-gon dies.
In fact If I were Ady I'd take brash's challenge and put more new improved Jar-Jar in the other two prequels as well.
Each film has epic problems and TPM is broken long before Jar-Jar turns up.
But if this project can fix Jar-Jar, make Anakin a character you care about and make his romance with Padme believable in any way Revisited will prove just how careless George was with all that talent at his finger tips and serve as a warning to whoever is making the sequels to Jedi and Prometheus.
Jar-Jar has become a totem for everything which went wrong with the PT which in some respects isn't fair because there is so much wrong with it.
It's easier to cut him out but it says more to make him work.
The same is true about the Ewoks in ROTJ. Keep them in but make them work.
I don't think any amount of editing will make the Clone Mystery in AOTC work.
That is something that is best left on the cutting room floor.
It goes without saying whatever AdY decides regarding Jar-Jar and structural PT changes will be up to him...and likely be awesome.
My take on it though, for whatever that's worth, is I'd leave Jar-Jar in and just make him a stronger, more endearing character, if that's possible. How can this be done? Cutting the abundance of his silly antics and toning him down a bit (the obvious and most common things fans mention). Other than that, jeez I don't know. Maybe by then AdY will have the help of a CG animator that can work some magic and get a bit more creative with the character.
One thing is for sure - if he's a less goofy character than that makes the power he is handed in AOTC a bit more believable.
I no longer hate the Jar-Jar character as much as I used to....which is shocking. He's just this ugly birthmark on the saga I've learned to live with I suppose.