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The movie is different than the play is different than the book.

I have seen the play and I went to the movie to see something new, and I have mixed feelings about what I saw... but I'm not concerned simply because it was different.

There is a new song that doesn't sound like the rest of the songs (you know that sound I'm talking about) so I don't know if it really "fits", but I liked it well enough.

Old songs have been changed.

You will hear these songs sung in a way you most likely haven't heard before.  Not necessarily better, just different than they are usually sung (emphassis and the like).

Da Ali G is in it.

I was hoping the movie would be (for me) the hands down best version of the play I had ever seen.  Some parts were, specifically "I Dreamed a Dream" and other parts weren't (specifically all of Russel Croon).  Given the chance to see the movie or the play again, at equal cost and inconvenience, I would see the play.  However, movies are convenient.

I'm surprised no one has talked yet about the way the songs were filmed, with the actual singing performances being done on set, in costume instead of in the studio beforehand- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cDVdg7gVdg

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xhonzi said:

 

I'm surprised no one has talked yet about the way the songs were filmed, with the actual singing performances being done on set, in costume instead of in the studio beforehand- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cDVdg7gVdg

Well, Hathaway's absolutely heart-rending rendition of "I'm So Damn Sad," done entirely in one long closeup, would have been impossible to match if she'd been lipsynching.

On the other hand, Crowe might have benefited from a few more takes to get that perfect sound in the studio. 

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why do you keep calling it  "I'm So Damn Sad",  its "I Dreamed A Dream".   

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What version of the play/film have you been watching, Warbler?  TheBoost is exactly right.  It's the song that Susan Boyle sang on UK's Got Talent.  It's numbered among the other songs from the work, such as "Ugly Prostitutes" and "My Husband Has Bad Teeth and Can't Perform, but At Least He Thinks He Runs the Joint While I Really Pull the Strings."

I thought it was really cute when I heard the little girl sing, "There's a Place Where I Don't Have to Do Chores for these Ugly People Anymore."

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darth_ender said:

TheBoost said:

So, the movie moved Anne Hathaway's song "I'm So Damn Sad, Dear God I'm Sad" from after she looses her job (which would make me sad) where it is in the stage musical,  until...

SPOILERS ALERT

...after she becomes a bald toothless prostitute (which would make me sadder). Seems a solid dramatic choice. 

Kinda weird that Ann would sing a song about being so darn sad in a story called Les Miserables. ;)

Honestly, that sounds like a better position for the song to me.

I just don't see the point in moving it. What for? As Cobb says so that it is superficially different from the stage play? That is silly.

Anyway, life was kind of falling apart for her and she was very, very, very sad before she had to sell her hair and herself into prostitution. That song was part of her transition to rock bottom, as you watch as things keep going downhill for her. Don't see why they felt she couldn't be so damn sad until after she had become a prostitute.

 

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xhonzi said:

The movie is different than the play is different than the book.

The musical is VERY different from the book. But the movie is the musical.

I guess the purist in me would rather see a faithful representation of the stag production in movie form.

You can't really film theater well. It isn't the same as going to see it live,  something about filming it totally kills the whole thing. While sitting in the seat the whole thing can feel very alive and exciting, somehow the translation to the screen turns it into a bunch of people in too much makeup wearing silly costumes while singing at each other. So I kind of like it when some of these make their way to the big screen. I totally agree with changes like the later one TheBoost mentioned, turning two songs back to back into one long scene. I see no reasons to allow the limitations of stage to dictate the film. In that case you might as well be using limited stage technology instead of modern day effects. No, I am all for adjusting it to the different medium. For some reason the changed placement of that song sticks out to me as a bit senseless.

As for original stage actors and movie actors... I know The Phantom of the Opera is pretty craptastic and sappy and I am no fan of Andrew Llyod Webber. But it has the distinction of being the first musical I ever went to see (original cast too). I was pretty young at the time, the story was really dark, and there was something kind of kinky and wrong about the storyline. My family went as a treat to my older sister and I got drug along, but I actually ended up really loving it. Going to see it again when I was older, I discovered my young prepubescent self filled in a lot of story elements in his head and made it a lot darker, sexier, and less sappy than it actually was. But I still liked it.

That being said, as great as Crawford and Brightman sounded in that live performance, Gerard Bultler and Emmy Rossum are far, far, far more pleasant to look at.

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CP3S said:

darth_ender said:

TheBoost said:

So, the movie moved Anne Hathaway's song "I'm So Damn Sad, Dear God I'm Sad" from after she looses her job (which would make me sad) where it is in the stage musical,  until...

SPOILERS ALERT

...after she becomes a bald toothless prostitute (which would make me sadder). Seems a solid dramatic choice. 

Kinda weird that Ann would sing a song about being so darn sad in a story called Les Miserables. ;)

Honestly, that sounds like a better position for the song to me.

I just don't see the point in moving it. What for? As Cobb says so that it is superficially different from the stage play? That is silly.

Anyway, life was kind of falling apart for her and she was very, very, very sad before she had to sell her hair and herself into prostitution. That song was part of her transition to rock bottom, as you watch as things keep going downhill for her. Don't see why they felt she couldn't be so damn sad until after she had become a prostitute.

 

 

yeah, why fix what isn't broken?   Need  I remind you that the show was a huge hit with the song exactly where it was.  I have seen anyone complain "they put 'I Dreamed A Dream' in the wrong spot!  It should go after she becomes a prostitute.  And why did that put 'Red And Black' and 'Angry Men' together like that?  They should be separated!"    It was fine where it was! Leave it alone! 

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CP3S said:

xhonzi said:

The movie is different than the play is different than the book.

The musical is VERY different from the book. But the movie is the musical.

I guess the purist in me would rather see a faithful representation of the stag production in movie form.

You can't really film theater well. It isn't the same as going to see it live,  something about filming it totally kills the whole thing. While sitting in the seat the whole thing can feel very alive and exciting, somehow the translation to the screen turns it into a bunch of people in too much makeup wearing silly costumes while singing at each other.

I disagree with you.   You see the stage recording of Sweeney Todd, starring George Hern and Angela Lansbury, and you need to see the stage recording of Camelot starring Richard Harris.  excellent productions.   

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So I kind of like it when some of these make their way to the big screen. I totally agree with changes like the later one TheBoost mentioned, turning two songs back to back into one long scene. I see no reasons to allow the limitations of stage to dictate the film. In that case you might as well be using limited stage technology instead of modern day effects. No, I am all for adjusting it to the different medium. For some reason the changed placement of that song sticks out to me as a bit senseless.

no! no! no! no!    The songs should done exactly they way they were done on the stage.  

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As for original stage actors and movie actors... I know The Phantom of the Opera is pretty craptastic and sappy and I am no fan of Andrew Llyod Webber. But it has the distinction of being the first musical I ever went to see (original cast too).

YOU SAW THE ORIGINAL CAST!?!?!  Damn, I wish I could have done that.    I love Phantom.   I'd give anything to see Crawford's and Brightman's performance.  Why in hell could they not have made the movie years earlier with the original cast?

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That being said, as great as Crawford and Brightman sounded in that live performance, Gerard Bultler and Emmy Rossum are far, far, far more pleasant to look at.

just for that *Warbler tells Javert that he saw CP3S steal a loaf of bread* 

 

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Warbler said:

YOU SAW THE ORIGINAL CAST!?!?!  Damn, I wish I could have done that.    I love Phantom.   I'd give anything to see Crawford's and Brightman's performance.  Why in hell could they not have made the movie years earlier with the original cast?

Yeah, at least Crawford and Brightman, not sure how many of the others were the originals. It was when the show went on tour. I lived way out on the Western end of the US, far away from Broadway. My sister had the CD Highlights from The Phantom of the Opera and was pretty into it, so when my dad saw it was going to be playing only a few hours away he snagged some tickets.

 

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That being said, as great as Crawford and Brightman sounded in that live performance, Gerard Bultler and Emmy Rossum are far, far, far more pleasant to look at.

just for that *Warbler tells Javert that he saw CP3S steal a loaf of bread* 

Ugh, Emmy Rossum goodness!

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CP3S said:

darth_ender said:

TheBoost said:

So, the movie moved Anne Hathaway's song "I'm So Damn Sad, Dear God I'm Sad" from after she looses her job (which would make me sad) where it is in the stage musical,  until...

SPOILERS ALERT

...after she becomes a bald toothless prostitute (which would make me sadder). Seems a solid dramatic choice. 

Kinda weird that Ann would sing a song about being so darn sad in a story called Les Miserables. ;)

Honestly, that sounds like a better position for the song to me.

I just don't see the point in moving it. What for? As Cobb says so that it is superficially different from the stage play? That is silly.

Anyway, life was kind of falling apart for her and she was very, very, very sad before she had to sell her hair and herself into prostitution. That song was part of her transition to rock bottom, as you watch as things keep going downhill for her. Don't see why they felt she couldn't be so damn sad until after she had become a prostitute.

 

I didn't mean that movies should change things when they adapt just for the sake of it, I just meant that I don't think they have an obligation to, and if there is a change that seems like its worth doing, for the sake of the cinematic narrative, there's no reason why they shouldn't do it.

Like I said before, I'm not familiar with the stage musical, so I can't say for sure if the movie's restructuring is better; but, in the movie, I feel it makes more sense to put that song where it is now.

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Warbler said:

 

CP3S said:

That being said, as great as Crawford and Brightman sounded in that live performance, Gerard Bultler and Emmy Rossum are far, far, far more pleasant to look at.

just for that *Warbler tells Javert that he saw CP3S steal a loaf of bread* 

 

I'd say it's not just a matter of prettiness, it's a matter of film presence too.

Chuck Wagner is probably one of the great baritones of his age, a 6 foot + juggernaut of charisma on stage, and one of the first "Javerts" as well as the first Mr. Hyde in "Jekyll and Hyde." I had the privledge to see him on the first and second nation tours of "Jekyll and Hyde, " and as the Ringling Brother's Circus ringmaster, and that man OWNS the stage.

That being said, the camera does not love the guy. His powerful presence comes off as somewhat cheesy on camera, in the old show "Automan" and his occasional TV spots. 

Even in 1985, the short, slightly pudgy Colm Wilkonson would have had a tough time selling me on the dangerous, superhumanly strong Valjean under the unforgiving eye of the close-up. 

 

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why do you say the first Mr. Hyde?  If Chuck Wagner played Hyde, he was also playing Dr. Jekyll.  The same guy plays both parts. 

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TheBoost said:

Even in 1985, the short, slightly pudgy Colm Wilkonson would have had a tough time selling me on the dangerous, superhumanly strong Valjean under the unforgiving eye of the close-up. 

*Warbler tells Javert that he saw TheBoost steal a loaf of bread* 

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Warbler said:

why do you say the first Mr. Hyde?  If Chuck Wagner played Hyde, he was also playing Dr. Jekyll.  The same guy plays both parts. 

He does??! He's even MORE amazing as an actor than I suspected!

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you are aware Jekyll and Hyde are same guy, aren't you? 

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Warbler said:

you are aware Jekyll and Hyde are same guy, aren't you? 

Except they aren't though... and they are....

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Warbler said:

you are aware Jekyll and Hyde are same guy, aren't you? 

Now that you mention it, the show does make a lot more sense now. 

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It's too simplistic to say Jekyll and Hyde are the same person.

It's a philosophical problem with no definitive answer.

Jekyll and Hyde share the same body but is Hyde a separate being or just Jekyll's dark impulses given freedom of expression?

Is Jekyll the same person if Hyde has developed a distinct persona?

People do not recognise Jekyll when they see Hyde even though they have a time share on the same body.

 

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timdiggerm said:

TheBoost said:

Warbler said:

you are aware Jekyll and Hyde are same guy, aren't you? 

Now that you mention it, the show does make a lot more sense now. 

Allow me to recommend you read the story, which is not overly long, by Robert Louis Stevenson.

Full text: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/42

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Case_of_Dr_Jekyll_and_Mr_Hyde

Somebody based a book on it? Does no one have original ideas any more??!

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I thought he was pretty good in The League of Extraordinay Gentlemen but I didn't really think he deserved his own musical.

AND NOW THERE ARE BOOKS?!?!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Warbler said:

I disagree with you.   You see the stage recording of Sweeney Todd, starring George Hern and Angela Lansbury...

Oh, I have seen it and I love it. It is probably one of the better recordings of a play I have seen.

It really saddens me that from now on Sweeney Todd will forever be remembered as a Tim Burton film starring Depp.

 

TheBoost said:

I'd say it's not just a matter of prettiness, it's a matter of film presence too.

WRONG!!! I mean, seriously, who wants to look at closeups of Sarah Brightman for two hours?

;)

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Or cockney rhyming slang for the flying squad.