The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations — Page 17

To my eyes the 2007 DVD looks best but I don't know what the film's supposed to look like.

The SE was generally what the film has looked like on home video for most of it's existence. Looks like the BD does indeed have the Platinum's colors, where Neverland is so very yellow. A good article from the platinum's release can be found here:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s2242pan.html

I still only own the old Classics VHS where Wendy's hair lightened over the course of the film but neverland was very much green and the indians red.

Dug up a few articles on Sleeping Beauty as well. The first one shows off the odd timing issues in the forest scene on the 2008 restoration. It also suggests that the BD is closer to the pre-2003 look. It really is a head scratcher as to what's right. So I'm not even claiming the 2003/97 is more correct and it could very well be a mater of both and neither. I'm sure none of these releases probably look exactly like it did in 1959 nor would I imagine them to be. It's more a question of odd inconsistencies and drastic changes from previous releases. What color is Maleficent anyway? ^_^ The bottom one shows off the one that hit me the most, the green lighting on Aurora. It just looks really weird without the glow. What's interesting is that Sleeping Beauty's BD was actually the last Platinum release, meaning it'll be rereleased on BD in a few years as part of the Diamond series. Makes me wonder if they're "restore" it again. Three of the 4 releases claim full restoration (though 2003 was the same one as 1997 for the Masterpiece line, I believe). I've never seen the 87 version unless that's the one I recorded decades ago off the Disney Channel. Should dig that tape up.


http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/277032/sleeping-beauty-2003-special-edition-vs-2008-platinum-edition/

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/34969/sleeping-beauty/

It may be of interest to note that the Walt Disney Family Museum in SF is having a speaker (the same one that did all the interviews surrounding Sleeping Beauty's BD release too) on the 19th discuss Disney's approach to animated film restoration. The featured film of the month being, of all things, Sleeping Beauty. Anyone near SF able to go see if anything of interest is said? Maybe voice concerns? I'm two hours away, but I doubt I'll get to go.

http://www.waltdisney.org/node/959/0

That seems to be true of a lot of them. Though some were released way too dark to cover inadequacies. Well I kid you not that her hair lightens throughout the feature and goes back at the end. Whether intentional or not, it's there. Other than that, it's fine. Certainly better than the yellow cast that's apparently the "restored version".

"Now, I think we can all agree that Sleeping Beauty´s BD is the most accurate and was beautifully restored."

I take it you didn't read the thread? ^_- While it's easily not the worst out there, there's problems galore with the Sleeping Beauty BD. From hissy original audio and some shoddy DNR work, odd brightening issues to questionable color timing which the previous version is also accused of I believe . When you have at least three color timings for a film, each one with supporters and detractors as to it's authenticity, it's hard to say we can all agree that one is the most accurate based on apparently nothing outside of some similarity to an "unrestored" version. I know I certainly have my doubts. ^_^

Agreed, SilverWook. Audio faithfulness gets ignored A LOT, usually. What's odd is that it's not present in the other releases. So it's either clearer than ever, or they really wanted people to listen to the 7.1. It's even labeled "restored".

Also found the tape I recorded of the Disney Channel version. Haven't gone through it entirely , but there's a recording of it at the end of the tape and only the first thirty minutes. Hopefully, I recorded it twice, since that would be most disappointing.

EDIT Yep, recorded it twice. My guess being that I had noticed that the volume was too low the first time on the cable box so I tried again since it's pretty quiet and subsequently ran out of tape. Why not record over it is childhood logic. Maybe I left the tape running and it just came on. So I have an EP VHS copy of the 87 to humor myself with. Haven't watched this since i got the widescreen VHS in the 90s.

Possibly. If both restorations are 'wrong' in one way or another (and I certainly am starting to get the feeling that that's the case) the early version might give a hint as to what's right in each. As someone noticed, the BD has a lot of the same colors as the unrestored, but does differ. Looking at my tape (with the grain of salt given an EP recording off cable of course though you've got to love 80s well built tapes), the 97's green glow in the bewitching scene is exactly like the 80s version. Wouldn't be the first time I've heard of a restoration program assuming an intentional glow is wrong and removing it.

The odd thing to consider is that the 87 was likely from a print so it's likely the colors are somewhat off (just reading these threads paints what a can of worms this is when you start comparing sources, formats, and so on) while the BD was supposedly from the negative(with unknown amount of color correction applied). The other thing I never got was that in all the articles it's mentioned that it was filmed on three-strip technicolor which can't fade since it's actually black and white to my understanding. So why did it even need color correction? I'm sure I'm missing something there.

That would be an interesting find if true. Even if it can't be established which is more accurate, it might be nice to see what the BD in the 87 or 97/03 colors looks like for those that prefer them.

So I finally sorted out my ISP problems and was all ready to deliver on some of my promises.  Checking my PMs I can't find who was interested in The Little Mermaid.

Is there some interested parties or did I mis-remember?

Either way, I think SotS is probably next.  Anyone know if MySpleen was cool with yet-another-SotS version?

Doctor M: I think they'd be cool with another SotS torrent. Ask in the #myspleen IRC room if you want to be 100% sure before uploading.

The only down side to doing a torrent is disc 2 has a lot of audio with still images.  If you use something like winrar it's compressible to something like 2gb.

Anyway, I may just post it and worry about it later if they have an issue with it.

I was just getting ready to straighten out my Disney collection in earnest and realized we really need a database keeping track of the films.

Anyone want to take this on and start either a new thread or at least a post here that we keep up to date with best versions?

And my question:
From my searching of this thread, is it correct that both the 2001 DVD and Diamond BD of Snow White are considered fairly accurate (and similar to each other)?

Also, I think most people agree the 1999 DVD of Pinocchio is the better of the releases?

Btw, this is interesting: Pinocchio (R1 Old vs. Platinum vs. Blu-ray) http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews44/pinocchio_blu-ray.htm

Has anyone undertaken a preservation of bonus material not included on the DVDs / Blu-rays.

I understand that "Hunchback" had some great content not ported from the laserdisc?  Are ther any others?

The Aluminum Falcon said:

 

AFAIK, IIRC, all the releases of Snow White are not accurate to the original colors. The 1993 restored LD (first release) was somewhat mildly criticized by an old animator for having colors different than the ones they used (albeit nice alternative colors). The DVD and the BD are pretty similar. I've always wanted to find out how Snow White looked originally but the only hope may be a 16mm/35mm print transfer pre-restoration or a VHS recording from the 1980s, which probably would have faded anyway.

I may have something of interest to you. An infamous (at least between italian collectors) pirate vhs from 1991 that is apparently sourced from a 35 mm telecine, possibly from the 1980 re-release. The colors don't seem to match the dvds. It even has, though visibly inserted and in a different aspect ratio because they were from the Widescreen 1972 re-release, the original animation for the italian text that Disney animated in 1938.

Now, I should have two copies of this, both in the garage. Gotta dig them up some time...

EDIT: there used to be a couple of videos of it on youtube, but they've been taken down

Has anyone done a preservation of the Pinocchio laserdisc then?

As far as Snow White, I guess were stuck until someone undertakes a color correction project.

Oops.

I realized my previous question wasn't concise.  I meant to ask if there was a difference between the 2001 Platinum Edition of Snow White and the 2009 release.

I had assumed the 2009 Diamond edition was BD only, but evidently there is a DVD 2-disc Limited Edition non-Diamond release that came out at the same time.

Reviews of the '09 release are generally good, but I think I saw some people complaining the colors were over bright (that would be a shocker.) :-\

Edit: Answering my own question.

Platinum:

Diamond:

According to DVDizzy.com (formerly UltimateDisney.com):

The transfer features a more subdued color scheme that fits with reports of the filmmakers not wanting this to be too colorful as they weren't sure how long the human eye can sustain watching animation.