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Well, my guess is that Disney didn't have use for him anymore, since they seem to be taking the new trilogy pretty seriously. 

Also, wasn't the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles kind of a hit-and-miss project?

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zombie84 said:

Wasn't Rick Berman in charge of TNG just when it began to get good? Or am I one of the few people who think the best thing to happen to that series was Roddenberry passing away, god bless his soul?

Anyway, yeah, McCallum gets too much shit. He was just doing his job. And he did a great job! He wasn't meant to be there creatively, he was more like a production manager, and the amount of management he had to juggle was mind-boggling, and each film came slightly under budget and schedule. Hell, he made Episode II without a script! Can you imagine the logistics? On top of which, he subtly prodded Lucas into more useful directions, like bringing in a dialogue coach in Episode III. The fact is, Lucas was the boss, and he wanted someone to carry out his wishes. McCallum knew this, and had he resisted significantly Lucas would have fired him and found someone capable of that. Howard Kazanjian doesn't get shit, but he did the exact same thing. Why? Because that's how it goes. Anyone who hasn't had to do their incompetant boss' bidding hasn't spent enough time in the work force.  Some producers want to be in on the creative side, and some enjoy being managers and taking a backseat. Arguably, the prequels needed that guy, but Lucas was the one in charge and he wasn't going to let that happen.

On top of which, McCallum started out with a bang with Young Indy, not to mention Singing Detective. Great series. "Want to do the prequels?" Hell yes, where do I sign. I think he acted in good faith, George Lucas was a god and these were thought to be the biggest films of the century, but after Episode I he realized, "oh, damn, all those doubts I had during production were true. Oh, well. I'm under contract now. What's the point of quitting?" No one goes after the producer of The Green Lantern. "WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE SURE THE FILM WAS GOOD??? ARGHHH!" But Gary Kurtz sets an unrealistic precedent. And look what happened to him? He was fired, and after one more film that was the end of his career. If McCallum had any incling to be a creative head he would have got into directing. He was interested in management, and to that end he did a fantastic job.

I wish him well. And I hope he winds up on better films. He deserves it.

Berman is a controversial figure amongst Trek fans to this day. His odd decisions about the musical underscores of all four series under his tenure did not endear himself to some. I've read he didn't like scores that stood out like TOS episodes had. There is a point around season three(?) when the TNG scores become bland.

Like Lucas, he gets the blame for things fans didn't like, wrecking the Enterprise D, killing off Kirk, etc.

A brief look at the IMDB reveals Kurtz hasn't been sitting on his butt lately, either.

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McCallum was the Lobot to Lucas' Lando.

I agree with zombie. The guy pulled off some incredible feats of production management given how the scripts were formulated so late. He did his job very, very well. Maybe he'll find success in other film or tv jobs.

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Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Rick.

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Well, my guess is that Disney didn't have use for him anymore, since they seem to be taking the new trilogy pretty seriously. 

Also, wasn't the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles kind of a hit-and-miss project?

They were a flop and cancelled on tv.

The trailer with the John Williams music made people think it would be a serial adventure show, not a boring show on history.  I still find it funny that the show had decent acting, direction and guest stars who were good.  Unlike the prequels which were utter shit.

 How can you have Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford, And Steven Spielberg, or John Williams, well you get young Indy another prequel with a younger version of a beloved character not as good as the original actor.

 

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I thought it had more to do with the high cost of the series? They weren't filming these on the backlot at Universal!

Some episodes were pretty good, (Indy caught up in WW1 spy intrigue) others were about as dry as an old history textbook. IIRC, one whole episode was Indy wrestling with the decision to enlist and nothing else. Not exactly an action packed episode. I couldn't make it through any of the kid Indy episodes.

The show did continue on cable tv as a series of tv movies though.

Funny how really old Indy has ended up on the cutting room floor next to Sebastian Shaw's Anakin.

I thought the episode where Harrison came back to do the wraparound story was good. Kind of like that final episode of Galactica 1980 with Starbuck, it came too late.

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Forgot about the Harrison Ford episode with the Richard Kimble beard, supposedly that is what led to Lucas seriously considering Indy IV.

I thought Trenches of Hell was a good episode,or  Was that a 2 parter i cannot remember.

Also that one with the Female spy who seduces Indy was good.

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Rick McCallum will be fine.  I wish him well....as Tour Guide of Skywalker Ranch....LOL, I kid really....I DO wish him many happy days and lots of success in what ever he does.

Cheers Rick!!!!

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Wexter said: 

Also, wasn't the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles kind of a hit-and-miss project?

Not where it counts it wasn't... I mean I liked it.

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All I know is he was incredibly annoying kiss-ass to listen to in the prequel special features and commentaries.

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I'd be a incredibly annoying kiss-ass to sleep on his pile of money.

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I wonder how much he banked from his work on the prequels?

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All I know is he was incredibly annoying kiss-ass to listen to in the prequel special features and commentaries.

I found Joe Letteri defending the dried banana turd CGI Jabba much more annoying personally.

JOE LETTERI: We wanted people to think there was a giant banana turd on set with Harrison Ford and we just photographed him stepping in it.

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BmB said:

All I know is he was incredibly annoying kiss-ass to listen to in the prequel special features and commentaries.

I found Joe Letteri defending the dried banana turd CGI Jabba much more annoying personally.

JOE LETTERI: We wanted people to think there was a giant banana turd on set with Harrison Ford and we just photographed him stepping in it.

Yeah, that was pretty egregious.

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I'm quite shocked by one thing - he wants to do a movie about the Masin brothers. About thieves and mass murderers. And from the description it sounds like he considers them to be heroes :-(

Zombie - yes, you're the only one. Roddenberry's death was a huge tragedy for the franchise. TOS seasons 1-2 - while he was actively involved - were brilliant. Season 3 - Roddenberry left - sucked. TNG season 1-4 - when Roddenberry was heavily involved in it - were great (even when there were many weak episodes). Season 5 - where Roddenberry wasn't involved at all because of his health status, and later his death - and Season 6 were much weaker, but still good, Season 7 was boring (only the finale was brilliant).

Berman's series were anything from boring (DS9 before the Dominion war), through piece of shit (Voyager). The only seasons which I liked from his series were DS9 after the Dominion war started, and the first season of Enterprise.

 

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Well, keep in mind I don't know that much about TNG behind-the-scenes. This is what I know:

Seasons 1-2 aren't so great. Roddenberry is alive.

Roddenberry dies. Season 3 is an improvement.

Someone else takes over. The series takes off for three or four more years, or whatever it was.

As the creator of all this I love him, it just always seemed to me that once he died, TNG stopped being dissapointing and started matching TOS. But based on what you are saying it seems more coincidental. Or we have different views on the series; IMO, like Seinfeld the series got better the longer it went on, although people like early Seinfeld too, and I have to preface that with the fact that I haven't studied them season-to-season like TOS, they bleed together a bit more because there were so many seasons. So I can't say if season 5 was better than 4, I just know that there was a noticeable change of quality around 1991 or 1992, right around when Gene Roddenberry died.

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Tyrphanax said:

Bingowings said:

BmB said:

All I know is he was incredibly annoying kiss-ass to listen to in the prequel special features and commentaries.

I found Joe Letteri defending the dried banana turd CGI Jabba much more annoying personally.

JOE LETTERI: We wanted people to think there was a giant banana turd on set with Harrison Ford and we just photographed him stepping in it.

Yeah, that was pretty egregious.

I think you guys are forgetting that, in 1996, to insert CG like that into unseen 1976 footage was pretty impressive, and looked real(-ish) to us. Almost no one was bashing the CG quality of Jabba in 1997; it hasn't aged well, in the same way that all CG from 1997 hasn't, nor have many early 3D video games like 1996's Resident Evil (one of my favourite games of all time that I routinely play every so often). But for the time, it was for sure a proud moment in ILM history.

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zombie84 said:

Well, keep in mind I don't know that much about TNG behind-the-scenes. This is what I know:

Seasons 1-2 aren't so great. Roddenberry is alive.

Roddenberry dies. Season 3 is an improvement.

Someone else takes over. The series takes off for three or four more years, or whatever it was.

 

Actually he died during season 5

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zombie84 said:

Tyrphanax said:

Bingowings said:

BmB said:

All I know is he was incredibly annoying kiss-ass to listen to in the prequel special features and commentaries.

I found Joe Letteri defending the dried banana turd CGI Jabba much more annoying personally.

JOE LETTERI: We wanted people to think there was a giant banana turd on set with Harrison Ford and we just photographed him stepping in it.

Yeah, that was pretty egregious.

I think you guys are forgetting that, in 1996, to insert CG like that into unseen 1976 footage was pretty impressive, and looked real(-ish) to us. Almost no one was bashing the CG quality of Jabba in 1997; it hasn't aged well, in the same way that all CG from 1997 hasn't, nor have many early 3D video games like 1996's Resident Evil (one of my favourite games of all time that I routinely play every so often). But for the time, it was for sure a proud moment in ILM history.

It was amazing that they could put Jabba into that footage. Problem is, it looks nothing like the Jabba we saw in ROTJ. The revised version was an improvement, but the skin color still seems off, unlike the TPM Jabba.

They should have at least considered building a scaled down Jabba puppet and inserted that into the sequence. That approach would not be far removed from what George has claimed he was going to do with those shots originally.

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^Not a bad idea. Even if they only physically build the upper torso, they could have moved the camera around it and then added the rest of him with CGI. But now that we're on that topic, is it just me or did Jabba seem too small in ANH SE? He seems significantly larger in ROTJ. Gosh, now that I'm complaining, I wish they'd done his voice closer to the original as well; he was so much more intimidating in ROTJ.

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They might have cheated Jabba's size to better fit him into the 1976 footage. After all, Harrison didn't know he was interacting with a giant slug at the time time. ;)

You'd think Ben Burtt would have had a box full of unused voice tracks for Jabba from 1983 they could have remixed into new dialog.

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Not his style. Burtt invented actual Huttese for ROTJ. Even wrote a little book for the various Star Wars languages a few years ago. Now the jokers that have taken his place...

But the real problem isn't with the delivery but the dialog itself. The ANH Jabba is friendlier than the cutthroat ROTJ Jabba. Personally I've always liked how the radio drama repurposed that scene by replacing Jabba with his Mos Eisley contact Heater.

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IIRC, it's mostly the same dialog that was in the original script, which also made it into the comic and novelization.

I firmly believe Jabba is out of his gourd on some controlled substance in ROTJ, which might explain the difference in attitude. ;)

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skyjedi2005 said:

a boring show on history.

 How can you have Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford, And Steven Spielberg, or John Williams

I don't want to start a discussion how I dislike the "young version of our hero" trick used by popular franchises (as much as improbable Superman sounds... then you get young Superman with a doggie?).

What was the problem was the very idea behind YIJ inception: for the show to be educational Indy must meet every single historical figure from that era. Too much of a stretch. It's just as ridiculous as Star Wars Expanded Universe: everyone meets everyone and everyone is famous (compare backgrounds of Mois Eisley cantina patrons!).

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The revised version was an improvement, but the skin color still seems off, unlike the TPM Jabba.

 

Ehrm....pssst, that was the TPM Jabba - they had it, so used it to update those shots.  And I'll repeat what I said at the time - yeah, the replacement looks better as a model, too bad it moves like absolute shit.  Williams was able to give the original CG Jabba more weight and a more convincing performance using much older character tools.