I don't understand this anti-Abrams thing. Have you guys seen TOS?? Really?? It was a fucking action adventure series with romance and humour. TNG was when we started having slow-paced episodes with philosophical discussions at conference tables. TOS had that element, but it was mixed in with a plot where spaceships were shooting each other and Kirk was uppercutting an alien lizard after flirting with whatever female was in that episode. TOS was a mainstream action television series and that's why it took off. I would say Abrams films take place along side the Nicholas Meyers films as the most faithful Star Trek movies made. Whoever says otherwise has either a short memory or has been too influenced by TNG (which I love) and the post-TNG series (which I don't love). I love TOS and Abrams has hit the nail on the head better than Meyers, who was dealing with an older cast who had the ability to reflect philosophically on their life, unlike the younger, more rip-roaring years of the 1960s show. In my opinion, anyone who hates the Abrams series was into TOS for the wrong reasons in the first place. Get lost so we can get back to Star Trek at its roots and at its best. Seriously, some Trekkies are pretty clueless. I have this suspicion that they say they know TOS but really don't, otherwise they wouldn't be saying such blatantly contradictory things. They would probably be saying ST IV was a disgrace with its humour and unrealistic time travel. If you think that, you shouldn't be watching ST TOS movies.