I have to say that there is a bit of a hazing process at this site. Some people experience it worse than others. I myself felt a little unwelcome at first. But if you survive, you all of the sudden feel quite welcome here.

Pat man seems to have had a bit of a rougher hazing procedure than many. But I think he's weathered the storm surprisingly well and has gained some acceptance. So a more genuine welcome to pat man than he may have gotten before.

With that, I think I'll start a new thread.