The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations — Page 15

bkev said:

I thought that 3D BDs would downscale automatically on non-3D TVs, is that not the case?

The BatB 3D BD is 3D only.  You have to rip and extract the left-eye stream.

nirbateman said:

I think that if you use the Bluray ripper option on DVDFab, you don't need to extract a single file, it will rip a proper 2D image.

You might be right.  I used AnyDVDHD and eac3to.

Also, I've compared the 3D Bluray to the LD rip made by Molly, and even though the video is better than the 2D Bluray, it still doesn't come close to matching the original colors, everything is too bright and the characters still seem out of place.

I agree that the original colors are the best, but I can happily watch the film with the 3D BD's colors.  I like it as a new look, whereas I can't stand the previous color timing: it's far too red.

Where do I find the LD rip?

bkev said:  1. Ironically I think that's the reason they handle their classic films the way they do. Unfortunately, it only works in some cases.

You are probably right.  At least Disney made the effort to fix the video judder at 4:37, and released three versions of the film, including the theatrical (more or less).

Thank you and nirbateman for the PMs. :D

Hey guys, thanks so much for responding to some of my questions in my earlier post. It really does help... and that's what I love about the OT community. I know I've been here awhile but I have also always liked that you guys are willing to back LDs for their merits. Anyway, that being said: excuse this long reply.

Molly said:

I'm uploading the workprint BatB as captured

Looking forward to it (with original "Be our Guest" sequence, I presume)? A link-PM when it gets up'ped would be much appreciated.

By the way, Molly, were you the one who uploaded the Non-Lowry Cinderella on TPB? Another leecher and I are trying to aquire it, but no one is seeding; do you still have the files?

Doctor M said:

The Fantasia VHS has the censored scene and the Laserdisc is a shortened version of the film.

Fantasia seems like it'd be a lot of work to get to a more perfect state than the official release; though luckily, these resources are available.

As mentioned, I do have ADM's Aladdin.

Interested! Is the video quality comparable to the official DVD?

Chewtobacca said:

And here are the Pinocchio comparisons... The colors on the 1987 CAV LD look perfect — better even than the 1997 CAV / 1999 DVD.

When I clicked the link, Chewtobacca, I must say you're absolutely right; those '87 colors are perfection! They even match tonally with the screen of the IB print that captainsolo linked to. I've got a feeling that's the closest that's been released so far to what was in the '40s; it isn't plagued by the red-push issues of most video transfers from the '90s.

Now, how about this for a stroke of luck-- I ran out to my local laserdisc store after seeing your post and spotted/subsequently bought a copy of the '87 release (though it was the CLV version)!

captainsolo said:

yet being early discs aren't the greatest.

Tell me about it! Since I had the time on holiday, I pulled out my old Pinnochio DVD; it was terrible, more so than the Bond SE DVDs (which also ported LD masters). There was compression, EE, and the far left side was pixelized (not visible with CRT overscan but on an LCD :P).

Chewtobacca said:

The color timing might not be the original, but it is far better than that on the 2D Blu-ray / DVD.

Didn't know that! Thanks man. I checked out some online comparisons and the 2D is too garish and just ugly in comparison... Might have to deal with a few moved bushes though.

monks19 said:

For the last time, I WILL UPLOAD THE 3D VERSION SOON. It'll be downscaled to 2d so everybody here will enjoy it.

I look forward to your BATB uploads though I do confess to be a bit confused about the final product and I have read over the thread. Out of curiosity, monks19, will your eventual output be a Custom BD50, Custom BD25, or Custom DVD-9/5s.

Hi. I'm Taking it raw from the original BR disc that I borowed to somebody. I will not compress it and I know that the film with the main dts audion is about 35 gb, so it will be a BD-50, but you free to adapt it to your convenience. Although, I would like to see Molly's LD capture of both B&B WIP and Cinderella (I'm the other leecher on TPB, by the way).

Molly said:

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Looking forward to it (with original "Be our Guest" sequence, I presume)?

It's a raw cap of everything on the discs, one video_ts folder per laserdisc side.

Sounds great then.

Another leecher and I are trying to aquire it, but no one is seeding; do you still have the files?

I *might*.  I've had a couple drive failures.

It really doesn't look that great though, so I've been considering going back to the capture and trying to improve the video track a bit.

Oh, so it was you: small internet. All right. I'll continue leeching if you do eventual decide to seed again, and, if you make a new version, I'll leech/then seed that.

monks19 said:

I will not compress it... so it will be a BD-50, but you free to adapt it to your convenience. Although, I would like to see Molly's LD capture of both B&B WIP and Cinderella

Thanks for responding. I'll probably end up compressing it myself since I can't burn BD50s. But, uploading the uncompressed version is likely the smartest thing to do. 

(I'm the other leecher on TPB, by the way).

How about that! Thanks for helping me to get to 26%.

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For anyone interested:

Pinnochio 1987 CLV LD:

Look familiar?

Contrast corrected:

It's shockingly very much like the 1950s IB print, more so than any other release. Here are the screens captainsolo linked to:

Technicolor IB:

LD/1999 DVD:

BD:

Note that my pictures have added noise because my capture method isn't so great (it's a decent looking disc considering its from the 80s).

Molly said:

I found the Cinderella iso.  I'll try to get it up to my VPS and get it seeded.

Thank you!

No prob.  It'll be a while though - cheap residential cable isn't exactly fast xD

Tell me about it...

Chewtobacca said:

In respect of the 3D BD of BatB, one can extract the left-eye stream (00272.m2ts) and obtain a 2D version.  The color timing might not be the original, but it is far better than that on the 2D Blu-ray / DVD.

Just curious, is there a technical reason to use the left eye stream as opposed to the right?

guiser said:  Just curious, is there a technical reason to use the left eye stream as opposed to the right?

As I understand it, the right-eye stream is dependent on the left-eye and encodes only those pixels that are different, so the right-eye stream is not playable.  (It's probably more complicated than that:  all I really know is that the left-eye is the correct one.)

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Thanks for responding. I'll probably end up compressing it myself since I can't burn BD50s. But, uploading the uncompressed version is likely the smartest thing to do. 

If you demux the left-eye stream and remux it with the audio, the result will fit on a BD-25.  I assume that you want only the 2D version.

Congratulations on your purchase of the '87 CLV LD, which was indeed lucky.  It looks very much like the Technicolor IB, as I guessed it would.  Thanks for the screenshots.  I wonder if it's possible to color correct the BD to match the LD.

Chewtobacca said:

If you demux the left-eye stream and remux it with the audio, the result will fit on a BD-25.  I assume that you want only the 2D version.

I do only want the 2D, and it would be fantastic if I didn't need to re-compress. Thanks for the info. I'll start trying to do what you say as soon as I can get the time. Will I need to worry about moved 3D objects (like at 1:29 in this comparison): spoilers, by the way in the video?

It looks very much like the Technicolor IB, as I guessed it would.

Indeed, if only there was also a pre-restoration laserdisc for Snow White; I'd be interested to see if those matched the original theatrical color timing of IB prints more. The Snow White BD looks similar to the Pinnochio BD to my eyes: not enough earthy colors and far too vibrant.

I wonder if it's possible to color correct the BD to match the LD.

Maybe, though it would be complicated if Disney tweaked individual elements on the BD (not sure if they did). Also, fyi, the '87 LD is far more cropped than the BD, so I don't think you could directly overlay the color (if that sort of process is possible). Fun fact though: the Pinnochio LD still has reel change markers. It's wonderful.

Molly said:

Deluge is hashing the iso for Cinderella, it will be back seeding in a couple minutes.

It is on. Thanks man.

Deluge is hashing the iso for Cinderella, it will be back seeding in a couple minutes.

I confirm, seeding has started for Cinderella

Maybe, though it would be complicated if Disney tweaked individual elements on the BD (not sure if they did). Also, fyi, the '87 LD is far more cropped than the BD, so I don't think you could directly overlay the color (if that sort of process is possible). Fun fact though: the Pinnochio LD still has reel change markers. It's wonderful.

Disney's butchery goes far beyond than colour tweaking and grain smoothing, unfortunately. What they're doing with those classics can't be called a restauration (for the BR, at least) and I'm not sure that the LD can be trusted either.

What are their big differences, if any ?

I don't have the 1988 disc. However, I'd wager that the biggest difference is that the 1995 uses a remastered source, while the 1988 disc is from a print (much like the Pinnochio disc--which was from that same run). Arguably, the 1988 may have more accurate theatrical color timing if this is the case.

Also, the 1995 LD is one of the only releases of Cinderella with the RKO logo.

Also, the 1995 LD is one of the only releases of Cinderella with the RKO logo

The BR also does have it now, even if it's more than obvious that it was redone completely with modern imaging.

monks19 said:

The BR also does have it now, even if it's more than obvious that it was redone completely with modern imaging.

Well, at least it's in there...

By the way, can any one accurately date this release? I picked it up in a laserdisc store awhile ago, since it would be my foreign released LD. I only bring it up because it's got that unique logo from Molly's Cinderella disc. I thought it was a late '90s release, but looking at the picture, it's feasible its from the '80s.