The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations — Page 14

I'm uploading the workprint BatB as captured, I'll prolly torrent that.

I could perhaps try to redo Cinderella as I found my capture of that.  For kicks I decided to encode my rip of Song of the South but I doubt it's of any use to do so now.  (It's just the Japanese LD)

Technically I suppose the first DVD release of Little Mermaid is more accurate because it doesn't have the color changes.  The quality is just poorer overall.

The Fantasia VHS has the censored scene and the Laserdisc is a shortened version of the film.  Somewhere I have a divx of the censored scene.  If I could get a better one I'd cut it into the film.

As mentioned, I do have ADM's Aladdin.  There just hasn't been much interest in it.

Don't forget there was some changes in the dust in Lion King, I just don't know when that happened.

I'm still on the look out for uncensored Saludos Amigos.

Someone need to talk to MySpleen about which Disney's they'll allow and which they won't.

Doctor M said:

Technically I suppose the first DVD release of Little Mermaid is more accurate because it doesn't have the color changes.  The quality is just poorer overall.

The Fantasia VHS has the censored scene and the Laserdisc is a shortened version of the film.  Somewhere I have a divx of the censored scene.  If I could get a better one I'd cut it into the film.

As mentioned, I do have ADM's Aladdin.  There just hasn't been much interest in it.

Don't forget there was some changes in the dust in Lion King, I just don't know when that happened.

I'm still on the look out for uncensored Saludos Amigos.

Someone need to talk to MySpleen about which Disney's they'll allow and which they won't.

 

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/06559/5716-CS/Three-Caballeros-The/Saludos-Amigos-(1944)

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Found this thread and just started reading up on Disney's many mishaps over the years... It's most unfortunate to say the least. I look forward to whatever OTV uploads come; I love Beauty and the Beast so that will be cool to see the true theatrical and 1:66 aspect ratio. Count me in as voting for either file-sharing site or open tracker.

I was thinking of buying some Vaulted stuff before prices go up way high. After looking around the web, I still have a few questions that I thought I'd ask those more knowledgeable here. So, just to confirm, the most accurate versions are...

• Snow White- none (all have brightness issues and are no way reflective of 1937 Technicolor color palette)
• Pinnochio- old DVD for better color timing
• Fantasia- LD (DVDs have narration replaced, though LD is still censored)
• Cinderella- LD (isn't missing details that Lowry restoration is)
• Sleeping Beauty- 2003 DVD for a better color palette (at expense of cropped picture)
• Little Mermaid- Doctor M's Custom Disc (is this going to be uploaded any time soon?)
• Beauty and the Beast- LD Rip (correct aspect ratio, color and OTV)
• Aladdin- ADM's reconstruction (is this still available?)
• Lion King- laserdisc for palette and OTV

 

Anyway, hope someone can confirm this is so. I never realized the dire state Disney films are in; I assumed the releases were all theatrically accurate... Ah well: more to preserve, I suppose.

So overall, the original DVD releases use the last LD masters with slightly improved quality from a progressive transfer, yet being early discs aren't the greatest.

Doctor M said:

Technically I suppose the first DVD release of Little Mermaid is more accurate because it doesn't have the color changes.  The quality is just poorer overall.

The Fantasia VHS has the censored scene and the Laserdisc is a shortened version of the film.  Somewhere I have a divx of the censored scene.  If I could get a better one I'd cut it into the film.

As mentioned, I do have ADM's Aladdin.  There just hasn't been much interest in it.

Don't forget there was some changes in the dust in Lion King, I just don't know when that happened.

I'm still on the look out for uncensored Saludos Amigos.

Someone need to talk to MySpleen about which Disney's they'll allow and which they won't.

I have the 1991 LD and VHS of Fantasia but haven't watched the film since childhood. Is this the VHS you mean?

We should get some discussion going, because these are in many ways like the OOT, with the work of countless people being slowly but surely erased and it all being all but invisible to the public.

Thanks for the link Chewtobacca! This is exactly how I remember Pinocchio looking on the 1993 VHS, and the 1987 version seems much more like a direct print source instead of a cleaned newer IP.

Here's an article from David Bordwell that has a comparison of LD, DVD-BD, and a 50's era reissue IB print:http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/category/dvds/

LD:

DVD/BD:

50's Tech IB:

Man, it's such a shame that Disney's home catalog is so hit and miss. I feel like there's several movies they've done right (I actually think Snow White looks right), the Pinocchio blu looks flat in a way these other shots don't. It's not quite as bad as Cinderella, but that's bad enough that it could easily be corrected. He touches on what to consider their releases here and often in other "Few Words About" threads.


According to Robert Harris Disney considers the versions they're putting out revisions and that they do have separate masters somewhere. Whether we'll ever see them remains in the dark.

While I doubt it's worth a release, and the temp menu I made for it is horrid, I can probably put this somewhere if anyone wants...

Molly said:

While I doubt it's worth a release, and the temp menu I made for it is horrid, I can probably put this somewhere if anyone wants...

MySpleen?

Maybe.  I just think it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to use MS given my vocal attitude toward ratio trackers...

The real thing about that Song of the South I did... really, it's not all that great.  I mainly did it because I *had* the cap already (I did it almost 4 years ago), and because the topic had come up.  But it looks like hell, even with the better tools I have for dealing with poor captures than I had 4 years ago, and I can't really come up with a good menu system.

As for BatB WIP, I'm still trying to think where to put it.  I *suppose* I could use MS, but it would really make me look like a big hypocrite if I did that.

Chewtobacca said:

In respect of the 3D BD of BatB, one can extract the left-eye stream (00272.m2ts) and obtain a 2D version.  The color timing might not be the original, but it is far better than that on the 2D Blu-ray / DVD.

Wow, cool idea!

I think I might just do that...

I thought that 3D BDs would downscale automatically on non-3D TVs, is that not the case? Because I'm pretty convinced I need to upgrade from my old VHS copy of this film, accuracy be damned. I can stand the BD pallet but the odd murkiness of the 2D edition is just too much for me!

Of course, that said, if Andrea is indeed to capture B&TB in its OAR that will be my choice version.

nirbateman said:

@ monks19: Sent you a PM.

Myspleen doesn't allow any Disney, I'm afraid.

So is the Star Wars category an exception, then? :-p