saw it in a movie theater today..
it was the bluray version..
again, the colors seemed off,
just like in the screenshots,
blown out skies, yellow tints, etc..
still, it was nice to see something
good on the big screen..
later
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Rox64 said:
BTW, what's about Temple and Crusade? Are they going to have good colors, or they are going to be heavily edited for the Bluray release?
Comparisons of the Indiana Jones movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKtocmZsdBc
KOTCS
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cap1=14429&cap2=14421&art=full&image=0&cID=1276&action=1&lossless=#vergleich
TLC
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cap1=14405&cap2=14389&art=full&image=0&cID=1275&action=1&lossless=#vergleich
TTOD
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cap1=14373&cap2=14357&art=full&image=0&cID=1274&action=1&lossless=#vergleich
ROTLA
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cap1=14341&cap2=14325&art=full&image=0&cID=1273&action=1&lossless=#vergleich
One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.
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pat man said:
http://www.xylonhd.com/home/2012/9/16/raiders-of-the-lost-ark-comparison-pix.html
I think the WOWOW looks the best.
One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.
Yoda: Try not, do or do not, there is no try.
Thanks for quoting yourself.
Sorry for bumping this, but I had an interesting observation.
I've been watching a film project that I'm sure some of you are familair with.
Some scenes of that project DO seem to have a bit of a yellow tint to them, in fact one might even say it resembles some of these rotla screenshots.
I figured I'd mention it cause it does suggest that maybe rotla did look like this.
I'm curious to know what film project you speak of. The negative one? Or something else? Is there a Jones related project of which I'm unaware?
Lets just say I cant be very NEGATIVE about the project ;)
Huh, I haven't logged into the site in a few days. Just saw the latest update & I definitely see what you mean. Still don't have the Indy blus yet, but I was always leaning towards the new color timing probably being more accurate (though I certainly did question it with such a big change from what has been the norm). Now I'm even more convinced that the Raiders bluray is probably closer to the original color timing than previous releases.
That's what I think too. In the DVD (and consequently HDTV) color timing, many scenes undoubtedly look more natural/neutral, or real-world-like if you want, but that may not have been the original artistic intent.
So ya, it's kinda funny seeing how that worked out after people got so upset over it :P
And for those who can't see pictures, yes the skintones from a similair film also set in a desert look nearly identical in their yellow tintness as in the rotla bluray.
jero32 said:
Sorry for bumping this, but I had an interesting observation.
I've been watching a film project that I'm sure some of you are familair with.
Some scenes of that project DO seem to have a bit of a yellow tint to them, in fact one might even say it resembles some of these rotla screenshots.
I figured I'd mention it cause it does suggest that maybe rotla did look like this.
Is that "yellow tint" in the whole film or say specific to the desert parts of the film?
I will say that my stance on the Raiders blu-ray has softened somewhat, I will totally buy it someday when it gets an individual release. There's problems with the HD captures compared to the Blu-ray in my eyes. It's just so jarring to me to see so much yellow in the opening jungle scenes and the university too.
And if the blu-ray colour timing is indeed the way it always was, how did they mess up the DVD release so badly? If you're going to go to the effort and 'fix' the film by removing production errors you think you'd spend at least a moment going hey the colour timing is completely different from the original film but let's digitally remove a wire that no one ever notices.
It's seems in the HD age people seem to forget that DVD wasn't a nothing format and people put out some amazing DVDs, only limited by the amount of data they could fit on a disc.
So now why is something like colour timing such a problem now that needs to be fixed? If you can notice the problem now you could notice it then.
An interesting development none the less.
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see you auntie said:
And if the blu-ray colour timing is indeed the way it always was, how did they mess up the DVD release so badly? If you're going to go to the effort and 'fix' the film by removing production errors you think you'd spend at least a moment going hey the colour timing is completely different from the original film but let's digitally remove a wire that no one ever notices.
Really? Have you seen the Star Wars DVDs?
Of course, they're the worst thing to be ever be authored on DVD. But I'm not sure what you're saying.
Lucasfilm has never given a shit. Their idea of a release seems to be wait a while, put the films on a disc, put them in an overpriced box set, watch the money come rolling in.
But as for Spielberg and Paramount or whoever wanted to get this release so right, what hole in the ground did they have their head stuck in when it was time to put out the DVD boxset?
The Star Wars DVDs and blu-rays are deliberate 'creative decisions', I think they'll freely admit to that. So which Raiders release was the creative decision?
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Another fan of the "yellow tint" here.
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Well, the comparison of BD vs DVD color timing of Raiders bears a striking resemblance to the comparison of DVD/BD vs OOT color timing of Star Wars, so my guess would be that the DVD of Raiders fell victim to the same trend of giving old movies a more modern look; except unlike Lucas, Spielberg came back to his senses when it came time for the BD release. This is only supported by Spielberg's recent comments about regretting altering his films and his decision to release only the theatrical version of E.T. on BD.
Yeah, but then the question remains. Why did only Raiders get the full treatment? I know it's the most beloved of the three, but it's pretty jarring moving on to even Temple from this restored colortiming - and there's only something like, what, three years between the two films? Was it filmed on different stock?
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They just used the old HD masters for Temple and Crusade, didn't they? So I guess they decided to do a full restoration of the most important Indy film, which included restoring the color timing and then they just left the others alone. I don't think the studios really scrutinize this stuff as much as the fans do.
Has anyone pulled out some LD or VHS rips of pre-THX Raiders to compare with? I see that all the time with Star Wars but I haven't seen that here. While obviously that would be no perfect reference, it would be interesting to see the different looks of home video Raiders - and prove one way or the other if that restoration is as jarring as people said at first.
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It should be noted that the color timing of the oot seems to be MUCH more yellow than any of the laserdisk rips I've seen, so even then laserdisks might not be a good comparison for color reference. (if the same applies to indie)
A reason tod and last crusade might lack a yellow tint? Perhaps they used different film stock? Or they simply didn't care as much about restoring their original colors. (However looking at the timing of empire vs star wars film stock/time period might have A LOT to do with it.)
The only thing I found is this:
Maybe not quite AS tinted as the blu-ray, but definitely seems to be slightly yellow tinted. (look at the grass in the chase shot)
I'm planning to buy the blu-ray box soon and I just wondered about some things when looking at the BD vs DVD comparison. (Note that I'm not familiar with any changes made between different releases of this film)
Here the reflection in the water under the plane's wing looks like it's been smudged out in the BD version, and the water has a teal tint, reminding a lot of the color timing used in many modern movies like Transformers.
In the same shot, here the water reflection at the front of the plane is different and has some mist added.
Here the blue colors are shifted to teal, while the rest is shifted towards yellow in the BD version, again reminding me of Transformers.
Here it's a bit the opposite. The DVD's yellow tint of this shot has been shifted towards pink.
Here it's very visible how they've muted the contrast in the highlights. The clouds are very natural in the DVD but melt together with the rest of the sky in the BD.
Taking all of this into account, I really don't think this is what the film originally looked like. They didn't tint water to teal in 1981. They didn't push the contrast of highlights down. This screams modern-style color choices to me.
I think photochemical tinting on a release print probably looks different than digital tinting on a razor-sharp BD release restored from the negative- even if they are technically the same shade.
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Actually, after reading through this thread and looking at some HDTV vs BD comparisons, I think I've decided to not buy this box.
I might just talk to DJ about doing a project with these 3 sometime in the future. I've managed to make a script that removes almost all of the edge enhancement from the HDTV shots, then one would just have to apply the color of a projector bulb from that era, and maybe it would look a lot more like it originally did.
How do you KNOW that they wouldn't have made the water tealish? From what I gather a lot of the shots on raiders were shot hastily, so they wouldve turned out either dark or overexposed. (see the quote about not using a light meter) The water stil looks kind of an unnatural shade of blue in the dvd. So if we assume the blu-ray isn't correct, the dvd isn't either. (and the hdtv was made from the same master right?)