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Checked my copy last night to be sure. It's the edited one.

Might try for the SE boxed sets on Ebay, as Big Lots seems to only getting a couple of the singles.

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Speaking of SE errors, I let my friend borrow GoldenEye and he couldn't play it in his 360 or whatever other DVD player he tried =|

I guess he's going to be watching the UE instead.

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Aren't game consoles notoriously finicky for DVD playback?

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I've tried on some of those sets, but for some reason they usually go for major $$ on ebay, which is very odd, especially since UE sets sell for a fraction!

I'm beginning to think that maybe there never was a reissue of corrected discs.

I hate to say it, but you may have to try and make a backup to play on finickier players. This is what I've had to do on some older discs or ones that are really scratched up. Sometimes the PS2 just couldn't hack it and I had to improvise...or the high end Sony upscaling DVD player in the Communications dept. screening room that was actually a huge pile of stinking garbage that never worked properly and seemed to be designed more for eating discs than playing them-but I get ahead of myself. ;)

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SilverWook said:

Aren't game consoles notoriously finicky for DVD playback?

Not my Xbox 360 will play any dvd as long as it is region 1 or region free even plays region free pal discs.  The ps3 rejects the pal standard even if there is no region coding at least on the ps3 i have.

Both suck for not having MKV playback.  But that is another story.

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Being somewhat preoccupied most of yesterday, I didn't get a chance to savor winning five factory sealed LD's on Ebay. Four Moore's and a Lazenby. Once an LD addict...

I got them ridiculously cheap too.

While paying, I was asked to make a small donation to UNICEF. One of their goodwill ambassadors used to work for Universal Exports. ;)

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SilverWook said:

Aren't game consoles notoriously finicky for DVD playback?

I wouldn't know. Never heard much about it before, and don't have much experience with it. My XBox at home (not 360) modded with XBMP plays most DVDs fine. Has problems playing some of the few DVD+Rs I have, and the XBMP program itself still has a few annoying bugs in it, but that's about it.

Before I brought the XBox over, we used to watch DVDs through a PS2, and I remember it would just sit there a judder and skip when we tried watching burned discs (though for some reason, it played those DVD+Rs pretty okay).

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How convenient that this thread is currently on the subject of defective discs, as I've just gotten through trying to play my UE DVD copy of From Russia With Love on 4 different Blu-Ray players and after about 20 minutes of dicking around with my living room player it's finally playing. First it wasn't recognizing the disc at all and kept spitting it out, then it was recognizing it as a data disc, then finally it randomly started to p0lay.

It seems this particular disc has alot of trouble playing on Blu-Ray players, it seems to play on a regular DVD player just fine.

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Being somewhat preoccupied most of yesterday, I didn't get a chance to savor winning five factory sealed LD's on Ebay. Four Moore's and a Lazenby. Once an LD addict...

I got them ridiculously cheap too.

While paying, I was asked to make a small donation to UNICEF. One of their goodwill ambassadors used to work for Universal Exports. ;)

Congrats! I've pretty much picked up all the Bond LD's at this point at a steal. Still thinking on whether or not to pick the Criterion versions. 

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So er, will we be able to have LD mono tracks, synced to the current Blu-ray releases, of all these great films?

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Stamper said:

So er, will we be able to have LD mono tracks, synced to the current Blu-ray releases, of all these great films?

I'm not promising, but I'll be experimenting with that once my new player arrives.

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Snagged the SE box set with OHMSS in it. Will report back on whether it's the corrected version when it arrives.

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Got the set today. OHMSS is uncorrected. Rats.

Believe it or not, I was checking out A View To A Kill, when a real quake shook the house. Yikes!

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Guess that makes up for the AVTAK quake removal? ;)

Darn it, did they ever release corrected SE discs? Go figure.

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I was watching the SE just to see the shot Lowry screwed up later. ;)

I'm starting to wonder if corrected discs really exist. Octopussy has a player generated subtitle for "Get off my bed!" Is that the fixed version?

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Were the corrected discs confirmed or was that just speculation?

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It's anyone's guess at this point. This is going to be harder than finding a LD of Grease with digital sound. :/

My curiosity has grown over the 5.1 mixes that some of the SE discs had. The one on the LTK SE trumps the UE.

I'm also puzzled why the early THX mastered Moonraker DVD had a 5.1 track and the later SE disc didn't. My copy is rotted unfortunately, (one of the first DVD's I ever bought) so I'm chasing down a replacement so I can hear that track once again.

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Those 5.1s would be the ones done for the last LD series, the THX CLV pressings form 1998 or so. There were many announced but canceled, and you can see the listing on LDDB for these such as LTK, FYEO etc. and all were to have 5.1 mixes on the ac3 track. All that came out of course were DN, FRWL, GF, TB, TSWLM and MR. These are the same as the THX DVDs but have PCM original audio, and the DVDs have progressive video.

The THX discs are the same as the SE discs, same master, same compression bitrate everything but the SEs just crammed in every special feature on the disc plus the new menus. There may be slightly less compression on the THX discs, but if I'm thinking correctly they all have a separately encoded fullscreen version on the disc.

These 5.1 mixes will almost certainly trump anything from later on simply due to better compression and greater detail. Better practices because they were made for LD 5.1 which avoids the typical down conversions built into DVD audio. But the UE is the only release of LTK that is fully uncut in Region 1. The others are a rumored PAL German LD and a NTSC Japanese LD but both are full screen.

I'm not surprised that there possibly aren't any corrected SEs. They're not any huge errors that aren't fixable. My question is if these are indeed the best video source we have for the original presentations or if a finely conducted LD transfer could match or exceed them. Some have decent images, and then some are riddled with compression artifacts and other nasties and then over-sharpened to within an inch of their life. And then DN/FRWL/GF/LALD/TMWTGG are cropped to 1.78. And on top of all that there are moments of combing and interlacing that sporadically appear in all the SEs I've sat through.

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Yeah, the LALD SE looks like a VCD at times. :(

The THX DVD of Dr. No has noticeably more compression artifacts seen in ocean waves.

Is it possible some of the earlier 5.1 mixes were derived from 70mm releases? (At least the Moore and Dalton entries.) I'm thinking some of these ought to be preserved. They could certainly co exist with a PCM track synched up to the Blu Rays. Maybe preserve the SE menus too? ;)

I've got the THX Moonraker DVD on the way, and more factory sealed Bond LD's in my future. There is no cure for Laserdisc fever!

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I've got the THX Moonraker DVD on the way, and more factory sealed Bond LD's in my future. There is no cure for Laserdisc fever!

Been reading this thread with interest.  I have 2 copies of the Moonraker THX dvds, neither of which plays in 5 drives I have tried.

I also have the THX DVDs for Goldfinger and TSWLM and can confirm that the audio and video streams are identical to the SE DVD.  I suspect this is the same for Moonraker, and found the following note which suggests the audio is the same:

www.hometheaterforum.com/t/100184/moonraker-thx-vs-special-edition

I read that the Moonraker THX DVD has an teaser trailer which is not on the SE.  Either way, the packaging and discs of the THX versions are nicer.  I'd be interested to know if all Moonraker DVDs have rotted, or if it's worth me buying more.

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Unless my eyes and ears were playing tricks on me the other night, the Moonraker SE does not have a 5.1 track.

I suspect some THX discs didn't rot away, or there would not be used copies on Ebay. (Perhaps a different batch from another replication facility?) Keeping my fingers crossed!

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Just checked my Moonraker SE (Region 1) and while the box shows "Dolby Digital English: Stereo Surround", playing or extracting the audio on my PC shows that the only English non-commentary track is AC3 5.1 384kbps.  Unfortunately, I don't have a surround setup to check that all 5.1 channels are actually used.  It would be interesting if there was another issue of the SE with a different audio track.

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You're right! My SE has the 5.1 track. This is what I get for watching movies late at night. ;)

I only spent a couple bucks on the THX, thankfully.

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So, people are crazy on eBay. I figured I'd buy "Never Say Never Again" on blu-ray but damn... People are crazy. One of the auction went above 100 in the last few moments, another hit 150! Seriously people, calm down. This movie is not worth this much. 

I'm just going to import the blu-ray from Hong Kong at this rate. $40 bucks shipped sure as hell beats the outrageous eBay prices.

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So, people are crazy on eBay. I figured I'd buy "Never Say Never Again" on blu-ray but damn... People are crazy. One of the auction went above 100 in the last few moments, another hit 150! Seriously people, calm down. This movie is not worth this much. 

I'm just going to import the blu-ray from Hong Kong at this rate. $40 bucks shipped sure as hell beats the outrageous eBay prices.

You might enjoy the following thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Batsht-crazy-ebay-listings/topic/14979/

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