Father Skywalker said:
The destruction of the Jedi Order, the jedi council and the younglings, order 66, operation knightfall, was undoubtley evil, I can agree with you on that;thousands died in it.
Here's is one thing that I do not understand about all of that. Why did Darth Sidious want to wipe out all of the jedi knights??? For revenge; the title is called Star Wars Episode 3 The Revenge of the Sith... Darth Maul said that at last the Sith lords will have their revenge against the Jedi. But what kinda revenge, for what??? I mean, I always believed that the destruction of the jedi order was to eliminate political rivalries. I don't get that; it kinda contradicts itself now.
Besides, starting a revenge war is totally pointless....
Yes, the Empire is evil. I'd say I'm glad you finally get that, but I'm sure later on we'll go over it again.
Palpatine wanted to destroy the Jedi Order because they would never let a Sith Lord control the galaxy if they were around; I was fairly sure the films made that very obvious. The Jedi and the Sith have been locked in an eternal struggle against one another forever; the Jedi want to destroy the Sith, and the Sith want to destroy the Jedi because their orders are diametrically opposed, the Dark Side and the Light Side are polar opposites. I'm not sure how you could have trouble not understanding why they want to destroy one another.
Maul is talking about a more abstract revenge, a revenge for the Sith as an institution, as neither Maul nor Palpatine were alive when the last Sith Empire was destroyed a thousand years before the events of The Phantom Menace. Palpatine doesn't really care about revenge so much as he cares about ruling the galaxy.
Father Skywalker said:
This is why the expanded universe (the EU) has to be canon. It explains all of the stuff that the films leave out. For instance, on Tattoine, Biggs darklighters joined the rebels, and luke skywalker said that he hated the galactic empire, long before Luke ever saw the second death star, and it wasn't because he was "persecuting the Sith", because that was long before he had any idea about the Force (the lightside or the darkside)...
Why don't the movies tell us more though??
If the EU isn't canon, which it hopefully is, then the empire isn't evil. By canon, I mean part of the same storyline as the movies. Which this quote kinda contradicts that....
Also, when George Lucas wrote the Star Wars movies, he never once mentioned what life was like in the empire, as if it wasn't an important plot point
"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." ?George Lucas, from an interview in Starlog #337[src]
I knew we'd come back to the Empire being good eventually... sigh. I don't know how or why you keep going back to this point even after I compiled a whole list of all the atrocities that the Empire committed before the Death Star was even completed that have actual, canon sources.
But I digress.
Here is an interesting Wookieepedia about the Star Wars timeline, and canon, showing how it all fits together. No matter how many times you repost that same quote, the fact of the matter is that all Star Wars stories (aside from the Infinities series) fall on the same timeline, unless they are explicitly overwritten by a "higher order" of canon, otherwise they will be made to work alongside one another by someone like Leland Chee, who oversees the canon and makes sure everything works together.
Id est, a book written about what happened during The Clone Wars is canon and fits in the Star Wars timeline as though it were the same as a movie; however, if The Clone Wars TV show wanted to do an episode about the same characters doing different things and it happened at the exact same time, The Clone Wars TV show episode would overwrite the book, and the book would no longer be canon.
By that same token, if Lucas wanted to write a movie about the same characters doing different things than The Clone Wars TV show episode, that movie would be the definitive event, and The Clone Wars TV show episode would be overwritten and no longer be canon.
Those are the simplest terms I can put it in: until something is overwritten by a higher order of canon, it is the definitive canon for that event.
Now, on the subject of why the movies don't tell us more; that's because not every single aspect of everything in the Star Wars universe (or any other movie universe) needs to be described in minute detail for it to have happened. Can you imagine how boring it would be to watch an entire movie about a people going about their normal, boring lives at their office jobs on Coruscant?
Movies have a story to tell, and diluting that story with a lot of other aspects that have nothing to do with the story makes the movie boring and too long. If there was a huge scene in the middle of Star Wars that went on to show how every aspect of every part of everything in the Star Wars universe, the movie would never end and once it got back to the story of Luke, Han, and Leia, nobody would remember what was going on.
Plus the movie would never be released because it would take forever to make, and nobody would be able to pay to make the whole thing.
Father Skywalker said:
Also, I disagree with you putting galactic alien humanoid species on the same level as humans. By that logic, the U.S government is evil for growing cows on farms, which is "slavery", and people who hunt animals are "evil". I believe in animal rights strongly, animal cruelty is sickening and just plain pure evil, however, I don't believe that farming or hunting is wrong. By criticizing Darth Vader and the galactic sith empire for "specisim", it just doesn't make any sense, in my opinion. I am willing to hear your opposing POV, a diversity of opinions....
Uh, what? Cows are not sentient, many aliens (as they appear in Star Wars) are. Aliens (like the Mon Calamari, or Bothans, or Chiss, or Taung, or Wookiees) in Star Wars are equal to humans, they are not animals. I hate to get all up-in-arms about racism towards fictional races, but what you're saying is like saying black people or Mexicans shouldn't have the same rights as white people.
The Galactic Empire is widely known for its xenophobia, as this article states.
Father Skywalker said:
The Seperatist Council needed to be slaughtered in order to end the Clone Wars. They were evil people. Darth Vader ended the Clone wars while he was on Mustafar; what else would be the point of what he did to the Seperatist Council???
At the end of Revenge of the Sith, you should realize that it was not The Separatists who were evil, it was Palpatine's Republic that had become evil. The Separatists just wanted the war to be over at the end of the film, and then they were murdered.
It's very complex, because, yes, initially, it was the Separatists that were evil, when Palpatine was leading them through Count Dooku and General Grevous; but then the roles reverse and the Republic as led by Palpatine becomes the Evil Galactic Empire.
Father Skywalker said:
One last thing. Luke Skywalker "redeeming his father", was more of a spiritual thing, not about stopping him enslaving aliens or destroying planets or anything else like that; which is where the religious spiritual Jedi philosophical mumbo jumbo comes in........
That is partially true, yes, but the goal of the Rebel Alliance was to end the tyrannical, oppressive rule of the Empire through a revolution in order to replace democratic values more in line with the Republic.
But you're getting off-topic again, as usual.