thejediknighthusezni said:
Father Skywalker said:
...For instance, let's take a good look at what happened in during/WW2. The Allied Powers defeated Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich, Nazism, Nazi Germany, the evil xenophobic racist Japanese Empire (a very little known fact about imperial japan during the second world war, they were evil bastards who killed innocent people and civilians in China and other countries-for instance, unit 731, it's is a Slayer song, but it's is also a horrible torture chamber human experimentation done by imperial Japan).....
So, we defeated 2 of the most evil groups of people in all of history, and saved possibly, almost most certainly and definitley true, tens of millions of innocent lives from evil mass murderers. Regardless of the fact that the allied powers contained an evil mass murderer, Joesph Stalin, and some may have estimated that the soviet union atrocity body count may have even surpassed that of nazi germany, in the long run, without the soviet union, tens of millions of more innocent people would have died in genocide and ethnic cleansing. The Stalinist soviet union did most of it's atrocities and purges before the 3rd reich ever came to power, and most of joseph stalin's atrocities were done and over with, as opposed to the nazis, who were a real threat that had to be stopped and defeated.....
Anyone who thinks that the Soviet Union, IF UNOPPOSED by the U.S. nation ruled by the U.S. Constitution, would have been any better and not worse than Stalin in the thirties needs to carefully read Orwell's 1984 AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES.
Most of those killed in Europe in WWII were killed by Soviet brutality and disregard for life. The Soviets were utterly exhausted from all their genocides and purges in the '20s and '30s and stupid and evil sacrifices of lives in the war. They had NO CHOICE but to moderate in order to meet the VAST moral and technical superiority of the U.S..
Orwell's entire point was that TOTALITARIANS, regardless of the particulars of their respective doctrines, are exactly the same in basic mentality and goals. They will continue to amass greater and greater power, over every single aspect of human existence, ad infinitum. It's what they are all about. Any suggestion otherwise is only to fool people. They don't HONESTLY recognize ANY upper limits to what they take from others. For every inch they gain they will be right back for another mile...........
If VADER was a totalitarian, he would have kept going and going and going..........
If Adolf Hitler was never defeated, then the Nazis would've killed tens of millions of more people. The Soviet union body count was mostly done and over with, it happened during the 20s and the 30s. The Nazis, on the other hand, were just getting started. 6-12 million people died under their genocide, and, without the Soviet Union, probably something like 40-50 million at the very least would've died. The Soviets may have killed tens of millions, but that was done and over with. In the long run, we had to team up with the mass murdering Soviets to prevent even more mass murder from Nazi Germany in the long run.
In the long run Nazi germany was a far bigger threat than the soviet union. Know your facts.......
If Darth Vader was the galactic sith emperor, he would've only tried to defend himself from armed wartime rebel traitors, which is not tyrannical or evil. Would he have done anything that affected the average joe living in the empire??? No. If i'm wrong, which I probably might be, im willing to hear why...