msycamore said:
BmB said:
But that scene in ESB is just a simplistic, if you kill Vader then you become Vader.
If that is what you think that little scene was about I suggest you rewatch it.
Yeah, this. It took me forever to figure it out growing up, but it finally clicked.
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AntcuFaalb said:
I always thought it was about Luke discovering that Vader is his father.
I like BmB's interpretation.
I guess you can read into it that it's also a premonition of that as well but ultimately it's a test in Yodas training which Luke fails. The scene is simple but yet brilliantly done in showing us what dangers lies ahead if Luke isn't careful.
Luke: "What's in there?"
Yoda: "Only what you take with you."
He fails the test because he brings his own fear with him, and Vader symbolizes his fears. It shows us Luke isn't ready to face Vader at this stage, when he sees himself in Vader's mask it tells us what he might become=turn to the dark side. He is also the one who first drew his sword, he takes his weapons with him. It's foreshadowing, he is basically his own enemy. Fear but I guess anger, revenge and impatience can also be atributed to his shortcomings.
"Yes, to Obi-Wan you listen, remember your failure at the cave." Yoda tells Luke when he decides to rush off to save his friends.
The scene is kinda pointless to describe, when it's a nightmarish metaphorical sequence we all understand but it sounds ridiculous when you try to put it into words, especially with my broken english.
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msycamore said:
especially with my broken english.
You write better than half of the native English speakers here.
TV's Frink said:
msycamore said:
especially with my broken english.You write better than half of the native English speakers here.
I agree with Frink, msycamore.
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Ha ha thanks. Online translators, but sometimes it just doesn't work very well for me. :)
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I wish people would stop acting as if they disagree when really they don't.
BmB said:
I wish people would stop acting as if they disagree when really they don't.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
I'm sorry, it's out now, I'll try to breathe the words back in but I'm afraid it's all too late.
Adium said:
Some weird people claim III > VI
those people are weird.
Yeah, count me in with them. Jedi is one that I don't consciously avoid but I definitely don't watch as much as the others. I hated the Jabba's Palace stuff, I hated the retread of the Death Star, and I hated the Emperor. The forest battle isn't nearly as fun a setpiece as Hoth was, and the 2nd death star battle lacked any real drama. I also disliked how different the "look" of everything was; the established "Rebels" for the first two movies look completely different in Jedi, there are tons of guys in rubber masks with speaking parts, Luke's gone emo, Han's been neutered, and there's an old man in a hood cackling at everything.
I remember reading the storybook in 1983 before I even saw the movie--I was that excited to know what happened--and when I finished I was just incredibly let down. I didn't really understand that at the time, I just knew I felt weird and didn't know what it was. I recognized it again in 1999.
Sith, for all its flaws, actually feels like a Star Wars movie, and it's got an interesting story that I give a shit about. Jedi has like 3 scenes that are any good at all. I just don't like it very much.
That said, it's still much better than the first two prequels. But so is...I dunno, Krull.
BmB said:
I wish people would stop acting as if they disagree when really they don't.
Sorry, but I personally don't think that sequence equals exactly what you described, from a certain point of view maybe. I find that there's alot more going on in that sequence than what you choose to describe, especially in the context it was made.
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But it does, what I wrote and what you wrote is exactly equivalent, only in so many words.
Now this is what confuses me. I absolutely regard ROTJ as my second favorite in the series. I don't hate the prequels, I just dislike them (ROTS was pretty good in my opinion). Also, I haven't seen too much of people regard the prequels more than ROTJ. I have seen it however. I think Return of The Jedi is a fantastic way to end the series because of how high the stakes are. A new Death Star, The Emperor, and the final battle at Endor (I know it might be hard to believe that the Ewoks can take out an entire fleet of Stormtroopers but I guess it could be because they had the home team advantage, i dunno). It ends the series with great respect and leaves the audience to wonder what is next for this series (besides mediocre prequels).
Everyone loves (or should love) a happy ending.
The Ewoks aren't so great at taking out those stormtroopers, though. For the first half of the battle they're pretty hopeless. Then they get their act together - and the help of a certain Wookie doesn't hurt either - and, as you say, the use their surroundings to their advantage.
I love it unashamedly. I still laugh at their antics and I still feel sad when that Ewok gets killed by the scout walker. Unlike some, though, I don't watch the forest battle and think "Oh, if only this was gritty like the battle on Hoth"; I enjoy it for what it is and have never felt that one battle scene is better or worse than the other.
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Where were you in '77?
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“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
The cinematography was sub-par, and the pacing and story got screwed over due to Studio restrictions (no duel in the core of Coruscant, no assault on Coruscant surface, no wookie army etc).
The cinematography in Revenge of the Sith was stunning. Granted, the CGI become dated VERY quickly, and the actors probably gave their worst performances they had ever given in their career (save for TPM and AOTC), but the pacing was well handled, and the locations were breathtaking (unlike the red-wood forests of California - again thanks to Fox - and the very plastic-like set of the Death Star).
It was such a shame. Anyone know why Fox place such restrictions on ROTJ? I know some of it was to make it more kid-friendly, but why cut down on budget when the film was going to gross millions more then the proposed budget?
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BmB said:
But it does, what I wrote and what you wrote is exactly equivalent, only in so many words.
Care to elaborate how your; "if you kill Vader then you become Vader" is exactly equivalent to how I described the scene?
Face your fear instead of trying to fight it was the lesson yes but I cannot see that the mere act of defeating Vader in battle is necessarily the path to the dark side as you suggest. It was a trial where he had to learn to control his fear.
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Fox cut the budget? Well, that's a new one. It was Lucas's money wasn't it? If ROTJ was a bad film, don't blame Fox; they're the last people to carry the can.
Asteroid-Man said:
It was such a shame. Anyone know why Fox place such restrictions on ROTJ? I know some of it was to make it more kid-friendly, but why cut down on budget when the film was going to gross millions more then the proposed budget?
Fox have nothing to do with it as it was financed by Lucasfilm. I think the cheapness of the film is mostly down to the getting it over with attitude that permeates most of the film, the heart and soul isn't there to 100% any longer. It recycles footage from both Star Wars and ESB, sometimes even dialogue when they couldn't bother to come up with something new.
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Wait - so the low production value was because of Fox!? Who the **** cut the budget then?! I remember reading an article a long time ago talking about how the Studio's financial contribution instilled restraints on the story.
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Well what you read was clearly wrong. And no, the low production value was not because of Fox, Mr Potty Mouth :)
Fox had nothing to do with ROTJ they were only a distributor. Lucas put up the money himself, with a $35 million budget. Any decisions based on cost were his decisions, as Fox was not involved in the production itself.
You may be confusing this with the original film. Lucas had to constantly ask for more money. The film was initially budget for $7 or $9 million, or something like that, and I think it came in around $11 or $13 million. Lucas also asked for more money for reshoots, but didn't get quite the amount he asked for. I think Fox was pretty generous though, as it was one of the most expensive pictures released in 1977.
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skyjedi2005 said:
Cause we always needed a bunny version of Han Solo,lol.
I'll take the bunny over Jar Jar anytime. ;)
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