NeverarGreat said:
1990osu said:
It makes you wonder if they are considering reshooting ROTJ's ending for the sequels, or perhaps beginning Episode 7 with a replay of the throne room scene going differently...
That's not true. That's IMPOSSIBLE!
I agree that the scene strains credulity however. The first time that I watched it, I was absolutely sure that Luke wouldn't be turned to the Dark Side. There was no question in my mind. Luke was a hero. He was us, the audience. And so the scene played out. The point of the scene, I think, was to show the audience that he who can make you angry can control you. The only question that Luke had was in what Vader was thinking when he let Luke escape Cloud City. When that scene is reenacted with Luke as the antagonist, he feels the same as Vader in that moment. In that moment, father and son are as one, both equally culpable in their use of the Dark Side. However, Luke is still himself. He used the Dark Side, and was not turned. So here was the answer to his question, about whether Anakin was in some way still alive. Indeed he was.
"Never. I'll never turn to the Dark Side. You've failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
He states that Anakin yet lives. Therefore he is saying that not only did the Emperor fail to convert him, he failed to even convert Anakin.
Of course, I disregard the prequels in this analysis.
What does religious conversion have anything to do with defeating the galactic empire??? Why not just turn to the darkside??? A sith lord can be good. Even if that's incorrect and false, not all darksiders are sith, the sith are just a specific sect/cult of darksider force users......
For instance, luke skywalker could turn to the darkside and still be on the rebel's side. Obi wan kenobi and yoda wanted luke skywalker to kill his father not because he was an evil dictator/tyrant who used a planet destroyer (the death star) to keep people in line through fear, but because darth vader was basically a dark wizard with evil magical powers (the darkside of the force). Religious persecution........