BmB said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
and the emperor's plan to turn Luke makes little sense (particularly since he is telling Luke his plan).

I think it makes sense. The point isn't to make Luke join him willingly, the point is to make him really angry and desperate so that he will kill Vader. And then he will be on the dark side whether he wants to or not.

Yes, I guess it makes sense as there's no temptation and no seduction, the force seems to operate on a light switch. Just get him angry and he has joined the dark side. I expected more than this simplification of the force after ESB. To me, even the little foreshadowing scene in the cave sequence in ESB had more depth than all these throne room scenes together.

This had all worked much, much better if we had actually seen any traces of conflict within Luke, but as it stands he enters the picture as the white knight already and is dead set against killing Vader, he only senses good within his father, instead Vader/Anakin is the one that is conflicted. I did enjoy these scenes but I do think they seem much better to some than they actually are because everything else we are shown is quite mediocre. The space battle is pretty, I give you that.