92. Star Wars (Original 1977 Version, no “Episode IV” inserted, vinegar smell) - $250.00
94. Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (Original 1980 Version, mix of Eastman and Fuji reels) - $500.00
Saw these over @ 35mm Forum in anyone is interested.....
Jetrell Fo said:
92. Star Wars (Original 1977 Version, no “Episode IV” inserted, vinegar smell) - $250.00
94. Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (Original 1980 Version, mix of Eastman and Fuji reels) - $500.00Saw these over @ 35mm Forum in anyone is interested.....
Is there a link that you can post for us, as to the "35mm Forum"?
dlvh said:
Jetrell Fo said:
92. Star Wars (Original 1977 Version, no “Episode IV” inserted, vinegar smell) - $250.00
94. Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (Original 1980 Version, mix of Eastman and Fuji reels) - $500.00Saw these over @ 35mm Forum in anyone is interested.....
Is there a link that you can post for us, as to the "35mm Forum"?
Google is a great tool......
http://www.35mmforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21246
I hope this helps some.
Jetrell Fo said:
dlvh said:
Jetrell Fo said:
92. Star Wars (Original 1977 Version, no “Episode IV” inserted, vinegar smell) - $250.00
94. Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (Original 1980 Version, mix of Eastman and Fuji reels) - $500.00Saw these over @ 35mm Forum in anyone is interested.....
Is there a link that you can post for us, as to the "35mm Forum"?
Google is a great tool......
http://www.35mmforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21246
I hope this helps some.
Thanks...I know how to use Google very well, but I thought that the forum was somehow related to this site in some way.
dlvh said:
Thanks...I know how to use Google very well, but I thought that the forum was somehow related to this site in some way.
It was a general statement, sorry. The 35MM Forum is a collectors forum for film buffs. I've purchased some film trailers from there and made a few friends who've helped me obtain some of the Star Wars audio I've shared here for projects. The folks share some good information about film and and it's history too.
It's a cool place.
:)
Jetrell Fo said:
92. Star Wars (Original 1977 Version, no “Episode IV” inserted, vinegar smell) - $250.00
94. Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (Original 1980 Version, mix of Eastman and Fuji reels) - $500.00Saw these over @ 35mm Forum in anyone is interested.....
That sounds like a pretty reasonable price, does it not? I really don't know what these things usually go for.
That's not reasonable; that's really really cheap - so cheap in fact, that there just has to be something wrong with the prints IMO.
I registered at the site, but havent been accepted yet, but it would be interesting to find out just what kind of shape the film reels are in...anyone here able to contact the seller and find out?
Since I've made my membership known already I posted the question in the thread. There is someone already looking to buy Empire if it has no vs (vinegar smell).
I'll update when I get the answer.
:)
Jetrell Fo said:
Since I've made my membership known already I posted the question in the thread. There is someone already looking to buy Empire if it has no vs (vinegar smell).
I'll update when I get the answer.
:)
What does the vinegar smell mean?
Chemical breakdown is destroying the world's movie film libraries and archives at an alarming rate. Technically "cellulose acetate decomposition" this self-catalyzing degradation of the movie film backing is more commonly known as "Vinegar Syndrome".
Once movie film has vinegar syndrome starts, there is only a small window of time, months, before the movie film starts to physically morph -- curl and stretch and then shrink. Once the movie film shrinks, it becomes brittle, and bowed. In some cases movie film may be treated with chemicals (reportedly camphor, etc.) that will temporarily allow it to run through a projector -- with much distortion in the images -- one last time. This process is profoundly expensive and performed by only one or two labs in North America. Results are not guaranteed.
Vinegar Syndrome is contagious: Other movie film can be "infected" -- through the air. If you can "smell your movie film" -- any smell like vinegar -- you are losing it, fast! If YOU can smell it, then chances are that ALL your other movie film -- stored with the movie film that you CAN smell -- already has it, too. Run, don't walk, to digitize your movie film. Once Vinegar Syndrome starts, there is no way to reverse it.
Notice: Film with vinegar syndrome does NOT necessarily have an odor of vinegar. In many cases, physical morphing of the movie film -- causing it to curl and ripple, like the edges of macaroni -- can be seen without any odor.
Jetrell Fo said:
Chemical breakdown is destroying the world's movie film libraries and archives at an alarming rate...
How sad. I don't know as much about motion picture film but I used to be into still photography and we were always told in the days before digital that film would last a century or more. Slide film in particular was supposed to be archival safe.
When film was made properly it does. My Dad's slides and Polaroids from the 60's look like they were shot yesterday. All the 70's family photos shot on Kodak 110 films are fading pretty badly.
The OOT has suffered from being shot on 70's film stock that turned out to be crap in the long term.
Where were you in '77?
OK, to set the record straight about the film stuff, as that is my background: Yes, film is archival safe, given a few assumptions. First, that it is processed correctly. Basically the vinegar syndrome is film that is still developing - it wasn't washed properly at the lab before it was released. It is chemicals trapped in the film stock that are still continuing to develop the film. Second, that it is good film stock - Eastman stock (the type that Star Wars was shot on) was horrendous, as far as fading. Not that all Eastman film is bad (a Kodak company), but that the type of film called "Eastman" is bad - it came out in the '70s (IIRC) and is incredibly prone to fading. The colors all fade to red - not desirable in most films. :)
Harmy said:
That's not reasonable; that's really really cheap - so cheap in fact, that there just has to be something wrong with the prints IMO.
So it's...
...invalid?
:p
Harmy said:
That's not reasonable; that's really really cheap - so cheap in fact, that there just has to be something wrong with the prints IMO.
Actually, the prices are in line, and might actually be overpriced for these considering the condition of the prints.
If you consider this cheap, previous prints have gone for less than these.
Team Negative1
Well, that's what I meant - it would be really cheap for prints in decent conditions - those are usually in the thousands of dollars range, aren't they? I've seen super8 prints being sold for those prices.
You_Too said:
Maybe he's referring to generation loss when creating a theatrical print. I don't know about the chemical process of creating a print but I know that there is negative -> interpositive -> internegative -> theatrical print. Except Mike Verta said the technicolor IB prints of SW were printed straight from the negative itself.
Jetrell Fo said:
92. Star Wars (Original 1977 Version, no “Episode IV” inserted, vinegar smell) - $250.00
94. Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (Original 1980 Version, mix of Eastman and Fuji reels) - $500.00Saw these over @ 35mm Forum in anyone is interested.....
Here's the word I got on Empire....
The Fuji reels have better color than the Eastman. Eastman is a little pinkish, but still looks great on the big screen. There is a little bit of vinegar smell, too. It still plays fine and holds its color, but you can smell it a little bit. Because of that, I'll knock the price down to $250.00+shipping. Let me know if you're interested.
It's kind of sad for him to have something "worth" thousands of dollars disintegrate before his eyes. It's even sadder that a generation of films will disappear because of crappy film. Did the film industry not know any better during that time? You'd think the studios and the film manufacturers, being as established and experienced as they were by the 70's, would have not made such a fundamentally flawed product.
The thing is that for theatrical prints, it didn't really matter, as those were intended to be trashed/destroyed after the theatrical run anyway. The sad thing is that they actually used this unstable stock for the OCN and IPs as well.
Would filmguard help with the vinegar problem?
No. Unfortunately, nothing can stop vinegar syndrome once it starts. What is even worse is that it will spread to your other films - you can't store VS films anywhere near non-VS films...
ww12345 said:
...What is even worse is that it will spread to your other films - you can't store VS films anywhere near non-VS films...
That is so crazy. How is that even possible??
Brooks said:
ww12345 said:
...What is even worse is that it will spread to your other films - you can't store VS films anywhere near non-VS films...
That is so crazy. How is that even possible??
crazy voo-doo magic rituals done at Skywalker Ranch.
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