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Post #610319

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Max_Rebo
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The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *)
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26-Nov-2012, 7:10 PM

CapableMetal said:

Ok, here are the 'standardised' reel change numbers from the previous posts

 

ANH (originally posted by Darth Mallwalker):

0 = first frame

711 = STAR WARS title card appear

28343 = reel 2

59025 = reel 3

90295 = reel 4

117270 = reel 5

147672 = reel 6

 

ESB (originally posted by msycamore):

 

0 = first frame

711 = STAR WARS title card appear

30988 = reel 2

59815 = reel 3

91134 = reel 4

122461 = reel 5

151133 = reel 6

 

ROTJ (originally posted by msycamore):

0 = first frame

712 = STAR WARS title card appear

25055 = reel 2

54317 = reel 3

84511 = reel 4

112587 = reel 5

142918 = reel 6

172032 = reel 7

 

 

Also, I haven't checked the TB of ROTJ yet, but msycamore has previously reported "11 frames around the reel breaks and a few more at various points" missing.

I decided to re-sync my old project files against these staring points and my findings are as follows:

missing frames (when comparing the sources to each other)

GOUT: 3544, which is the last frame of the opening star destroyer shot.

Flunk: 7370-7378, Leia and R2, technically not missing but heavily corrupted

TB: 50173 Luke listening to Ben second frame of shot (exact frame deduced from visible dirt)

Flunk: 53288-53299, death start briefing, bottom quarter of frame corrupted

Flunk: 85123, last frame of Leia before Alderaan explodes (the aspect ratio also changes slightly after this shot with more cropped from the sides)

TB: 85223-85225
Flunk: 85224-85225
Reivax: 85225
This is the transition between the Alderaan explosion and saber training on the falcon  

Reivax: 132114-132163, saber dual

TB: 147671-147672
Flunk: 147671-147673
Reivax: 147672-147674
Lowering of an R2 unit/prep of x-wing.

GOUT: ends at 173114 where a VHS rip of the credits are edited in.

TR: ends at 179418 credits don't quite finish.

by inserting blank frames at the appropriate places the reel changes all line up with the start of a shot, also this probably isn't all the corrupted frames in flunk.

ESB:

These are all done under the assumption that 75205 is missing from both TB and GKAR (also I got bored of writing descriptions of the scenes)

TB: 32733 missing,
75206 missing,
93228-93229 corrupted,
93230-93241 missing,
151133 missing

All reel changes line up to a scene change

ROTJ:

TB: 10612, missing, bib fortuna (may not be this exact frame need to check)
84507, missing, speeder bike (should be ~84511),
142911, missing, running ewok (should be ~142918),
175215, missing, vader unmasking

Then as some unknown missing frames throughout, the reel changes hit these frames coming up 8 frames short when compared to the above reference

reel 2 - 25054 - 1 short

reel 3 - 54314 - 3 short

reel 4 - 84507 - 4 short

reel 5 - 112582 - 5 short

reel 6 - 142911 - 7 short

reel 7 - 172024 - 8 short

Will need to compare it to the gout/04SE to find exactly which frames are missing.

Don't know why ROTJ got such a raw deal with these transfers.