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CapableMetal
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The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *)
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24-Nov-2012, 7:19 AM

Darth Mallwalker said:

 

You_Too said:

Maybe eac3to is that smart?
Sure, why not?
Surely I'm not the first to think of that idea.
Shirley might be an eac3to developer :)



Back to frame counts, I think I'm noticing a trend.
Seems like each movie is split into three 'chunks' for lack of a better term.

___ANH_________ESB______ROTJ__0-thru
_85225_______75306_______84511 -thru
147672______151133______142918 -thru end

Sometimes the chunk size match the LD sides, but not always.
Among NTSC LDs the pulldown cadence doesn't change at reel boundaries-- it only change at chunk boundaries (or side boundaries) which make them easy to IVTC.
The chunks are all less than one hour.
I'm wondering if those telecine were stored on three tapes recorded in "1-hour mode" if there exist such a thing among professional tape formats.

Metal has already pointed out some spots where digital broadcast was breaking up and frames went missing.
Besides those type of transmission errors, do we know of any missing frames
which are NOT surrounding those chunk boundaries?

 

I think you're on to something here with those chunk numbers. 

The only ones I know of from TB that are missing in non-chunk places are:

ANH: 50172

ESB: 32993 (or there abouts, difficult to pin-point this one exactly)

ROTJ I haven't looked at yet.

Not sure how the frames went missing, there are a few ways it could have happened.

EDIT: Interesting... it seems the PAL laserdisc of ANH is very nearly frame-for-frame accurate, at least to the reel change numbers. I captured it a couple of months back and averaged 5 captures. I've just found the master file sat on my laptop and checked it, the numbers match up until the penultimate shot where 172825 seems to be missing. I don't remember inserting any null frames, and each frame around the expected points is there, although the breaks are different for this set, side 2 starts 90295.

So there it is, only 1 frame missing from that disc by my count, but would like it confirmed of course ;)

Doesn't Lee Thorogood's SE97 release hail from this same set?