CP3S said:
Almost makes me want to encourage Anchor to give the prequels a shot. All the things that made me hate KOTCS are the same things that made me hate the prequels. Makes me think if he gave them a shot, he might be far more forgiving than the majority of us.
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Correct me if I'm a bit totally wrong but wasn't one of the reasons for George's guild wars was the unique for blockbusters opening sequences of Star Wars films (no titles straight into the crawl and film, credit only at the end).
Now that Disney has it (forgetting their founders abysmal record with trade unions) will the titles change or the relationship to the guilds?
Thew DGA doesn't have those rules anymore. There are lots of movies without old-fashioned opening titles these days. As long as there are end credits.
Disney's POTC films and Tron Legacy are good examples of all credits at the end.
The opening title and crawl are too iconic for Disney to mess with. I'm keeping my fingers crossed some sort of distribution deal is cut to allow the Fox fanfare and logo to remain. A silent Disney logo like the first POTC film had might precede it though.
Where were you in '77?
Half of Christopher Nolan's films don't have any titles until after the movie is over.
SilverWook said:
Disney's POTC films and Tron Legacy are good examples of all credits at the end.
The opening title and crawl are too iconic for Disney to mess with. I'm keeping my fingers crossed some sort of distribution deal is cut to allow the Fox fanfare and logo to remain. A silent Disney logo like the first POTC film had might precede it though.
Actually, the first POTC movie didn't have an opening Disney logo at all . It literally opened with the title shot. The "silent logo" was at the very end, after the end credits and the little after-credits scene with the monkey.
Anyway, I've been hoping the exact same thing as you in regards to the Fox fanfare. I don't see why it would be completely out the realm of possibility, either. Fox would only need to be given the theatrical distribution rights. Disney could keep everything else for themselves (dvd/blu-ray, television, streaming, etc). The vast majority of the box office gross would still be going to Lucasfilm, and therefore Disney.
Fang Zei said:
Anyway, I've been hoping the exact same thing as you in regards to the Fox fanfare. I don't see why it would be completely out the realm of possibility, either. Fox would only need to be given the theatrical distribution rights. Disney could keep everything else for themselves (dvd/blu-ray, television, streaming, etc). The vast majority of the box office gross would still be going to Lucasfilm, and therefore Disney.
Yeah, but would disney give up that percentage, however small it might be, just to satisfy the continuity with the previous trilogies? I personally think disney will be anxious to brand these as their own and use the disney intro. I guess we can add the fox intro to our own versions :)
Is there a disney intro at the beginning of avengers? I can't remember.
No, it doesn't. Part of the deal with Paramount included the Paramount logo at the film's beginning, rather than Disney's.
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Can't they just license the Fox Fanfare and play it over the Disney logo? XD
Yeah, after Disney bought Marvel in '09, they didn't want to wait until the Paramount distribution deal expired, so they bought Paramount out of Avengers and Iron Man 3 (Paramount still handled Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America). But yes, as Akwat Kbrana said, part of the deal included the Paramount logo showing up anyway. If I remember correctly, the Marvel logo actually appears before the Paramount logo at the start of The Avengers.
I'm assuming Iron Man 3 is all that's leftover from the Paramount deal. I can't imagine a Disney logo showing up in the trailer for Thor 2. It'll probably just be the Marvel Studios logo and that's all, same for the start of the movie itself.
Likewise, I can't imagine a Disney logo showing up in front of Episode VII. If they distribute, I would think we'd open with the Lucasfilm logo and go straight into "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away."
Oh, and as for the whole Fox thing, I think it's totally possible since Disney's not gonna want to wait until 2020 to get their hands on Episodes I-VI. They're gonna have to cut a deal to get Episode IV anyway, since Fox owns those rights in perpetuity. When you consider all of this, that percentage really does seem quite small. It would be worth it for Disney to give Fox theatrical rights in exchange for the six existing films.
It's worth noting that we still haven't seen a 3D blu-ray release of TPM. Perhaps this Disney deal was already in the works behind closed doors way back in February and that's the reason why (but who knows).
If I had my way, I'd somehow make sure that any future "Episodes" had the Fox fanfare at the beginning. Who is to say Disney-Lucasfilm won't want to eventually do X, XI and XII (or even XIII, XIV and XV)?
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Easterhay said:
They might not have released a 3D TPM on Blu-ray because 3D has turned out to be such a dead duck. Even Blu-ray hasn't been as much of a hit with the masses as DVD was.
Then why are the studios finally releasing 1950's classics like Dial "M" for Murder and Creature From the Black Lagoon in their original stereoscopic glory? It costs money to restore these things.
I would think they would hold off on TPM until the rest of the prequels have had their theatrical 3D runs.
Where were you in '77?
I have no idea but walk down the aisle of your local HMV and tell me how big the Blu-ray section is in comparison to the DVD section.
Blu Ray has taken up about half the racks at the places I shop at. Players hit the $99 mark last holiday season which puts them in impulse buy territory. Even my local supermarket sells Blu Rays now.
Where were you in '77?
I know that the players have come down in price - my own cost me about a hundred quid when I got it last year (bought specifically for the Blu-ray release of six films of which you might have heard) - but the format has not been anywhere near as successful with the general public as DVD was. Joe Public is happy that they can see the film and hear it and isn't really interested in 1080p or lossless soundtracks.
And certainly in the high street shops in England, the Blu-ray section has yet to match the space taken up by DVDs.
Easterhay said:
I have no idea but walk down the aisle of your local HMV and tell me how big the Blu-ray section is in comparison to the DVD section.
Probably because HMV is a crap store. Most times when i have gone in there (my old local one) to get a blu-ray they haven't got it in stock. And the ones they do have, unless they are in one of their sales, are an extortionate price compared to elsewhere.
But i did notice before i moved that the DVD section had become tiny, while the blu-ray section had grown to about the same size as the DVD section. Don't forget, it was quite a few years before anywhere started stocking a good selection of DVDs when they first came out.
blu-ray market penetration is way ahead of DVD given how long it has been available.
And I never could find Laserdiscs at Kmart. ;)
Lucasfilm didn't even bother quadruple dipping the OT on DVD last year.
Where were you in '77?
TV's Frink said:
blu-ray market penetration is way ahead of DVD given how long it has been available.
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I don't deny HMV is a terrible place to shop - the pricing is so random as to be laughable and their online service is appalling - but I could have picked the name of any shop out of the ether.
Fact is, most people I know don't care for Blu-ray. Indeed, most people I know don't have a 5.1 set-up so they're not even getting the best out of their DVDs.
Then again, the "most people" argument is always suspicious - look how many people here use it to support the anti-PT stance.
Easterhay said:
That link isn't working for me I'm afraid.
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One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.
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I've said for years, the reason bluray hasn't been adopted as well as you'd think hinges on a single issue: DVD Upconversion.
DVD Upconversion took our entire current movie collection, and made it look pretty damn nice on our new, huge TVs. Not only that, but it was early on a standard feature in Bluray players - meaning that people never had to go out and re buy the films they already owned. In some cases, this is fine, as DNR and Edge Enhancement have really screwed up some hi def releases. But without a huge back catalog to replace existing films with, Hollywood has been pushed to put out as many big, flashy films as possible to push the benefits of Blu. They even put out 3D Bluray to try and lure more people in - which has been so expensive, it's a joke.
If they would quit selling standalone DVDs completely and switch to ComboPacks and Bluray releases only, we would see a jump in sales and even more support. But for some reason they haven't done it yet... and the support for DVD, Blu, AND Digital Copies (of which there are like 5 or 6 different kinds) has spread everyone out across the board, as opposed to certain level of uniformity from one home to another that we saw with VHS and DVD.
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Bluray will gradually become more common. I think the biggest threat to its success now isn't dvd but streaming video. Having access to a movie whenever you want it (like on netflix for example, as annoying as netflix has become) makes owning the movie seem unnecessary for a lot of people. Something hollywood should think about when pricing blurays.
I still believe its unlikely we'll see the fox fanfare unless it's part of a deal to get the rights to the original trilogies earlier than 2020.