The colors in this pic will do well for today's standers.
One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.
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The bootleg sourced for Starkiller/MBJ/TWC326 has a really bad hue shift. C-3PO tends toward yellow-green, R2's panels are almost purple, and everyone looks like they have jaundice. If you play it in VLC and move the hue slider to the right (between the first two notches), you can fix this, but as you can see, the colors are still degraded by generations of copying.
Before:
After:
So even with the hue fix, you're still just polishing the proverbial turd.
pat man said:
The colors in this pic will do well for today's standers.
I think you meant "standards".
And the colars are nice. :)
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The sandcrawler matte shot was digitally recomposited for the '97 Special Edition. The indicator is that the 3-frames-animation of the beacon is a little bit different than the original in its appearance, and if you have sharp eyes you can also see that the crawler itself is placed just a tiny bit below the ridge in the original whereas in the SE it stands atop the sand dunes.
Top: original ('85 pan & scan) below: recomp (2004 pan & scan)
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
The 2nd shot of the crawler was recomped in '97 as well...
top: original below: recomp
see the different position of the crawler.
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I just want to add my voice to the guy a few pages back who mentioned DVDActive.com
I thought those old articles were great and pretty comprehensive, but then I found this thread. I had no idea people were picking apart slower/faster wipes and wisps of clouds.
And I think it's AWESOME :)
robfett said:
I had no idea people were picking apart slower/faster wipes and wisps of clouds.
And I think it's AWESOME :)
Yeah, we are a little crazy around here, glad I could be of service. :)
Have a few more alterations coming but I believe it is time for me to stop listing these.
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I'm a slacker. If anyone can compile all that I'm missing on my list, that'd be fantastic.
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That's not what I meant 005, it's just not healthy going through some of these scenes frame by frame. Zombie asked the same thing some pages ago, don't know if none have everything in order in his spreadsheet...
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I was changing the subject to my problems. ;-)
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You cannot give up this fight! It can't be allowed! Whom else will take up the holy charge of chronicling the changes over the ages?
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OK, stupid question: What exactly is a recomposite in the context of the 97SE?
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I'm not sure what you mean? When they went through and recomposited most of the effects optically using the original elements for the 97 release?AntcuFaalb said:
OK, stupid question: What exactly is a recomposite in the context of the 97SE?
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doubleofive said:
I'm not sure what you mean? When they went through and recomposited most of the effects optically using the original elements for the 97 release?AntcuFaalb said:
OK, stupid question: What exactly is a recomposite in the context of the 97SE?
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly!
For instance, (from your gallery) here: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2U4x0WyTisA/TIoZb6KYuTI/AAAAAAAAFkw/DlEtpyzd2-0/s890/Comp-xx1.jpg
If I'm understanding you correctly, then the team took the original ship models and redid the effect?
My knowledge is mostly in programming and digital video, so please hand-hold me through this. :-)
Thanks again!
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
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AntcuFaalb said:
doubleofive said:
I'm not sure what you mean? When they went through and recomposited most of the effects optically using the original elements for the 97 release?AntcuFaalb said:
OK, stupid question: What exactly is a recomposite in the context of the 97SE?
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly!
For instance, (from your gallery) here: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2U4x0WyTisA/TIoZb6KYuTI/AAAAAAAAFkw/DlEtpyzd2-0/s890/Comp-xx1.jpg
If I'm understanding you correctly, then the team took the original ship models and redid the effect?
My knowledge is mostly in programming and digital video, so please hand-hold me through this. :-)
Thanks again!
Actually, this shot consists of several "layers" or "elements".
1. The starfield background
2. the "big ship"
3. the "little ship"
and maybe even more. In the 70's they comped them together optically, for the 97 rerelease they found the existing elements, scanned them to the computer and comped them together digitally
Right, they took the original bluescreened ships from the film, scanned them, cut the ships out again, and put them together digitally.
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doubleofive said:
Right, they took the original bluescreened ships from the film, scanned them, cut the ships out again, and put them together digitally.
OK, that makes sense. Thanks!
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And some of these newly composited elements are in slightly different positions in the frame, right? Eg, the training remote is a little bit off in the SE.
Indeed.SpilkaBilka said:
And some of these newly composited elements are in slightly different positions in the frame, right? Eg, the training remote is a little bit off in the SE.
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doubleofive said:
I'm a slacker. If anyone can compile all that I'm missing on my list, that'd be fantastic.
I know I'd appreciate this as well. I know it's a lot of work, so I don't mean to be pushy. However, I've got a little project going where I hope to include a list of all the changes. I would like to download this album in its most complete form ultimately and use that on my DVD. I appreciate all the work 005 and everyone else has put into this. I truly think it's amazing!
005: Certain explosions/flashes during reel #1 of ANH arrive one frame early (or late) in the 97SE.
I discovered these by running a scene-change-detection algorithm on reel #1 of GOUT and 97SE (TB) and diff'ing the results.
Are these one-frame differences something you're interested in recording?
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3
I've got some frame diffences already, but I'm not sure at this point. It's still a sign of a change, but we could also say "all this stuff was redone"...AntcuFaalb said:
005: Certain explosions/flashes during reel #1 of ANH arrive one frame early (or late) in the 97SE.
I discovered these by running a scene-change-detection algorithm on reel #1 of GOUT and 97SE (TB) and diff'ing the results.
Are these one-frame differences something you're interested in recording?
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doubleofive said:
I've got some frame diffences already, but I'm not sure at this point. It's still a sign of a change, but we could also say "all this stuff was redone"...AntcuFaalb said:
005: Certain explosions/flashes during reel #1 of ANH arrive one frame early (or late) in the 97SE.
I discovered these by running a scene-change-detection algorithm on reel #1 of GOUT and 97SE (TB) and diff'ing the results.
Are these one-frame differences something you're interested in recording?
That would probably work best. Something like: "Here's a list of minor one-frame differences...".
Anyway, do you have any idea why these changes are present? Also, are they changes? Errors? Recompositing?
I don't think any frames were dropped (or added) because 97SE ANH's reel #1 has the same number of frames as GOUT ANH's reel #1.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.
I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!
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AntcuFaalb said:
Anyway, do you have any idea why these changes are present? Also, are they changes? Errors? Recompositing?
Any recompositing are changes done to the film. The composite is part of the effect or basically you can say the composite is the effect. Whenever they recomposite, the timings and/or positions of elements become slightly different compared to the original compositing. Probably because they didn't even try to recreate them down to every little detail, the differences in timings and positions are mostly visible when comparing against the original compositing anyway, so I guess that's not on their priority list, sometimes they probably wanted it slightly different as well. Their primary reason for recomping is mostly to get rid of generation loss the optical compositing cause, built in dirt and matte lines. And back in the 90's when they first did it, it was also due to the many faded opticals that was on the unstable CRI-stock (Color Reversal Internegative).
The problem this cause is that many of these original effects were specifically done to look their best with this generation loss in mind. Filmmakers even took the generational loss that occurs in the steps from negative to print into account when creating sets and props etc. Seen on new hi-res transfers made straight from the negative, it tends to look fake in some instances.
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I'm wondering if there is a use / call for a summary of the changes described in these comparisons and where the best quality example is available.
For example, currently the best example of the original shots would be either Team Blu's project or Harmy's De-specialised Edition. For most of the Special Edition shots, it would be the Blu-ray, except when they were changed in the 2004 / 2011 edition - Jabba for example, and so forth.
The core sources we have to work with are:
Would this seem accurate?
This can probably be gained from none's shot lists, but the amount of information in that impressive work still makes my brain ache...