Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 282

wabid said:

I am not bickering, I am offering Harmy a recommendation and a persuasive argument as to which container allows the widest audience to view his work, without two nearly identical/fragmented copies of his work floating around.  If he cares about reaching the widest audience even if it takes him a tiny bit more time (which it looks like he does by liking my suggestion to include mkvmerge) he will release an avchd.

Sorry, but I must object. What you write here makes no sense. If he wants "the widest audience to view his work" he should release it as many formats as possible.

I simply like the freedom to chose and I don't like when anybody is trying to decide for somebody else.

I don't honestly understand your problem with the free mkv format, anything you can imagine supports it these days, even my cellphone.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against AVCHD, I am simply "pro choice" :-) The fact that I prefer mkv is now irrelevant, just like the fact that you prefer AVCHD. People who watch movies from smart TVs, cellphones, stream them over local network, watch them from their HTPCs or whatever will always prefer mkv, people who are used to watch movies from optical media will probably prefer Bluray or even AVCHD. The point is - everybody is used to do it in a different way, so why are you trying to make the decision for them ?

And you have the choice to type "mkvmerge 00000.m2ts -o deed21.mkv" and end up with an mkv file.  My problem isnt with the format, it is releasing two of the exact same file in different containers.  Harmy agrees with me.

Wabid's argument about releasing an MKV with the same streams as the BD at the same time being pointless is very legitimate.

For my computer if I prefer an MKV, I will make it myself with the AVCHD.  HTPC's, Smart TVs, streaming devices all support M2TS files.

You are advocating pro-redundancy.  I am advocating efficiency.  More devices support avchd than mkv.  You have yet to explain a benefit to mkv other than you have heard of it before and it will match your other filetypes.  Some of my movies are avi's, some are mp4, some are mkv.  Once I open them with a media player it makes no difference.

To play devils advocate, the benefit to MKV is being able to include odd audio types not allowed by avchd such as flac, and strange subtitle formats such as .ass.  Again, if you want a flac mkv, it is extremely easy to mux yourself.  MKV is a kitchen sink, it supports everything.  AVCHD is a common denominator  supported by every device natively, but it is more restrictive as to what audio/video is allowed.  Since Harmy is releasing 1280x720 h.264 video and ac3 audio (which is bd compliant), he is not using any of the additional features mkv offers that avchd does not.  There is almost no benefit to using mkv over m2ts (a slightly smaller container overhead, a benefit which would be negated by forcing harmy to upload two of the same file) because virtually any device that supports mkv also supports m2ts, but not the other way around.  AVCHD is the more standardized format, supported by more devices, natively.  It makes sense to only release in one format instead of uploading two of the same file.  It would even make more sense to release in MP4 than MKV (then even browsers like chrome and safari could play the file) except that MP4 subtitle support is iffy.  AVCHD is better supported when it comes to subtitles.  I am just repeating myself now, so I will shut up.  If you have any questions reread the thread, everything has been explained multiple times.

Harmy said:

The only benefit of an MKV release that I saw (and still do) is that it is a way to release a high bitrate version before the BD with menus and all is ready. Then, when the BD is ready, anyone who is interested, can convert it to mkv

Come on guys, was my post really so not understandable ?  Yes, that's what I will do - that's what I have silently done with everything I got from here, but that wasn't what I was writing about.

Anyway, the wisest thing for me to write now is a quote from 3PO :

"Alright, shutting up, sir" :-)

wabid said:

To play devils advocate, the benefit to MKV is being able to include odd audio types not allowed by avchd such as flac, and strange subtitle formats such as .ass.  Again, if you want a flac mkv, it is extremely easy to mux yourself.  MKV is a kitchen sink, it supports everything.  AVCHD is a common denominator  supported by every device natively, but it is more restrictive as to what audio/video is allowed.  Since Harmy is releasing 1280x720 h.264 video and ac3 audio (which is bd compliant), he is not using any of the additional features mkv offers that avchd does not.  There is almost no benefit to using mkv over m2ts (a slightly smaller container overhead, a benefit which would be negated by forcing harmy to upload two of the same file) because virtually any device that supports mkv also supports m2ts, but not the other way around.  AVCHD is the more standardized format, supported by more devices, natively.  It makes sense to only release in one format instead of uploading two of the same file.  I am just repeating myself now, so I will shut up.  If you have any questions reread the thread, everything has been explained multiple times.

Don't be afraid, I'm shutting up too :-) But thanks, I didn't know that somebody really invented a format called "ass" :-)

Your posts are hard to understand because you have not made a case why mkv is better other than "but I dont want to remux after I download."  I understand, and Harmy is right, ISO may confuse a couple people. That is what the README is for.  aka "This is an iso, it must be burned, mounted or busted.  Burn with IMGBURN, mount or bust with Virtual Clone Drive."  Mounting and remuxing does add an additional step if for some reason you want an mkv over an m2ts file (hint if you are remuxing your other releases you are probably adding an unnecessary step.  There is virtually no benefit to recontainering the m2ts as an mkv unless you have one of the rare devices that supports the latter but not the former.)  

ASS - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubStation_Alpha#Advanced_SubStation_Alpha

Adywan released his final copy of A New Hope Revisited as an ISO.  It played on every dvd player in the world.  Had he released an mpeg2 file and expected people to build their own DVD structure, I don't think it would be something that Peter Mayhew would have viewed.  The beauty of an ISO is the ability to burn a universal disc that works everywhere.  If you gave your Uncle an mkv on a DVD and he stuck it in his DVD player and it didn't play, he would throw it away.  AVCHD is far and away the better format when it comes to sharing physical media with friends, relatives, and people who watch movies on their home theater television.

shutting up for real this time.

wabid said:

Your posts are hard to understand because you have not made a case why mkv is better other than "but I dont want to remux after I download."  I understand, and Harmy is right, ISO may confuse a couple people. That is what the README is for.  aka "This is an iso, it must be burned, mounted or busted.  Burn with IMGBURN, mount or bust with Virtual Clone Drive."  Mounting and remuxing does add an additional step if for some reason you want an mkv over an m2ts file (hint if you are remuxing your other releases you are probably adding an unnecessary step.  There is virtually no benefit to recontainering the m2ts as an mkv unless you have one of the rare devices that supports the latter but not the former.)  

ASS - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubStation_Alpha#Advanced_SubStation_Alpha

Adywan released his final copy of A New Hope Revisited as an ISO.  It played on every dvd player in the world.  Had he released an mpeg2 file and expected people to build their own DVD structure, I don't think it would be something that Peter Mayhew would have viewed.  The beauty of an ISO is the ability to burn a universal disc that works everywhere.  If you gave your Uncle an mkv on a DVD and he stuck it in his DVD player and it didn't play, he would throw it away.  AVCHD is far and away the better format when it comes to sharing physical media with friends, relatives, and people who watch movies on their home theater television.

shutting up for real this time.

Sorry man but you're confusing me with somebody else, I never said that I don't want to remux after download. To be honest I don't care in which format it gets released, or even when it gets released, I am most of the time a very silent and patient man :-) I have intentionally reacted only to a few very specifically chosen parts of your posts, I don't want to argue or go too away from the topic or anything like that.

I am now re-reading my previous post and I'm sorry if they sounded offensive, they were definitely not meant that way.

Harmy said:

OK, so, this is crazy.

But here's my number, so share it maybe?

Anyway, I've recently discovered the joys of hooking up a laptop to my TV via HDMI, so I don't care what is released, I'll enjoy it on my TV (ir)regardless.

The format does not matter nearly as much as the final 2.1 version itself which I am DYING to see. Thanks for all your hard work, Harmy.

Hi ! This is my first post ever in this website.

I guess, I have to explain why I'm here today...

I grew up with Star Wars. Actually, I don't remember the first time I saw the original trilogy because I grew up with it. We had the old french VHS edition. The original one. When the Special Edition came out, we didn't buy it. I mean, I was the only fan in my family, I was 6 or 7 years and I didn't even know this special edition existed.

So, you can imagine how I felt when I bought the DVD in 2004.... "What the hell ??!! What just happened with Greedo ?! Why did he shot Han?!" "Wait ? I have never seen this scene before ? What is this creepy CGI Jabba doing here ? Oh my god, this scene is awful! I hate that !"

I have to admit that the rest of the changes were quite OK for me. They were not as "huge" as the Greedo and Jabba scenes and the new CGI was cool. I have always loved the ESB and the new edition was OK too.

About the ROTJ, even when I was a child, I didn't really like it. At least, I didn't "LOVE" this movie, like I loved the two firsts. And until the end, I was quite happy. In my opinion, the new celebration music was really good, better than the original one. But there was a last surprise... "WHAT?!!! HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN ?!!! WHY ???!!! NO!!!"

I couldn't believe it. It was totally unnecessary. The movie was really good until this moment...

After that, I saw the movies a lot of time but each time, I felt weird. I mean, the movies I grew up with didn't exist anymore. It such a shame...

When the Blu-Ray's came out, I was very enthusiastic. After all, It couldn't be worse right ?... And then... "Why ?! Changes?! Again ?! Why Darth Vader is yelling "NOOOO"? Come one George, it was nessecary! I just wanter a High-Res Star Wars! You're killing me man..."

And that was the moment that make me come here.

I started to search a way to saw the OUT. First, I saw that a DVD Edition was edited in 2006 and then I discovered that there was a HUGE community triying to create an "Original HD version".

I found the Harmy Google's account, with all the comparison pictures... It was AWESOME ! I wanted that ! I really really wanted to watch that ! But unfortunately, after a couple of days, I wasn't able to find a way to download it. Then I gave up and completely forgot that the existence of Fan Edits...

A couple of months ago, I was in the Internet and I saw that the Despecialized Edition V2 had been created! WOW ! I couldn't miss it, so I searched again and I found it finally. I watched it and... Guys, it changed my life! The Star Wars of my childhood. The Star Wars I knew. The Star Wars I grew up with... in HD ! Harmy, your work is fantastic. Really amazing. You're doing something that represents so much for millions of people! It's true. I don't know if you can imagine, but your work have such a huge value. I am not talking about money, I am talking about the influence of what you have been doing. Thousands of people have recovered faith in Star Wars again, thanks to you ! I can't describe how I feel about all of that. I mean, it's just amazing. I talk about it all the time to my friends, my family, to everybody! Just... thank you man. Thank you so much.

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vbangle said:

There's a sock in these woods!

What are you on about now?

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Yeah, but was it an mkv or an avchd?  (sorry, couldn't resist)

I have watched it in MKV.

Actually, it was easier with an MKV because I needed the subtitles for my family.
And also, I deleted all the soundtracks I didn't need.  I just kept all the english soundtracks and the french one.